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re: To SC fans, historically what has kept you behind Clemson...
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:44 pm to Tillman
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:44 pm to Tillman
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I'm saying the GOP today does't have the Democratic party platform of the segregation era. You specifically asserted that the parties switched platforms which is not true.
Please feel free to list the segregation policies of the GOP. .
You clearly don't think for yourself. The Democrat party spoonfed you the lie that the parties switched platforms. Or you are just doing your party propaganda yourself.
Uh... first... maybe identify who you're talking to and what their beliefs are before you try and make assumptions. I'm neither a democrat nor a republican... I've voted both parties at different times based on options... anyone who feels the need to segment people into Dems and GOPers exclusively probably shouldn't be lecturing on "thinking for yourself"...
As far as the original point, again, you're trying to take credit for something that can't accurately be attributed to the individuals you'd like it to...
CRA voting:
Seems like republicans were more in favor... but wait a minute... let's look a little deeper...
Interesting... seems like *northerners* were more in favor... party lines didn't seem to come into play much at all...
Confirmed... Tillman is a buffoon.
But wait there's more! What happened after 1964?!
Oh... Strom Thurmond left the Democratic party to help with the presidential campaign of *Republican* Barry Goldwater... And he wasn't alone in abandoning the party for GOPer pastures... Look up Dixiecrats and the Southern Strategy if you're not being intentionally obtuse... if you are...
But WHAT ABOUT THE PLATFORM SWITCH!?!?... He said...
After the Civil War to the mid 1940s... neither party seemed to take much of a stance on segregation or African-American rights... it was not a popular subject and gave neither party any political advantage... So it was easiest to ignore it until they didn't have to.
In the meantime, Republicans were the party of big government (and big business), while Democrats were largely thought to look for smaller federal government intrusions... The thing that changed around the turn of the century was that a good portion of the infrastructure that was needed for these businesses to succeed was in place, so less intrusion from the government became preferred... That's why it's not cut and dry on the platform as to when these things changed... different parts of the country were in different phases of that evolution...
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:46 pm to Tillman
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lol is there any SEC coach that didn't work with Saban at some point. seems to be the only qualification to be a coach in SEC now.
And selling insurance is the prerequisite at clem.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:54 pm to fibonaccisquared
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fibonaccisquared
tldr
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:55 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Notable excerpt...
"confirmed... Tillman is a buffoon."
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:55 pm to fibonaccisquared
You are so stupid.
FDR was a big government guy and beloved by liberals today.Those racist Democrats were fiscal liberals like you.
The Democrats in the south were still Democrats. The Democrats up north were in the bed with them until popular support started to go down for white racism.
GOP pushed civil rights legislation in the 1950s that LBJ and the Democrats opposed.
Strom Thurmond was the only former Democrat segregationist politician that switched to GOP. That is why you and other leftwingers always cite him as your example of the Big Switch.
Robert KKK Byrd and AL Gore's father filibustered the Civil Rights ACt of 1964 and they never switched. You guys voted for the son of AL Gore Sr in 2000. lol
It seems more likely the white racists are still in Democratic party if you guys nominated the son of a man who filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
Bill Clinton's mentor in Arkansas was William Fullbright, a Democrat segregionist who never switched to GOP. CLiton awarded FUllbright with the presidential medal of freedom and called Fullbright a great visionary. lol
If you say the two parties switched platforms, you should be able to point to segregation policies in the GOP's platform today.
My original point is it is funny to me that most of the people who complain about Tillman Hall being named after Tillman vote for the Democratic Party and have no problem with the party still using that name, even though it was Tillman's and the white racist party. lol
FDR was a big government guy and beloved by liberals today.Those racist Democrats were fiscal liberals like you.
The Democrats in the south were still Democrats. The Democrats up north were in the bed with them until popular support started to go down for white racism.
GOP pushed civil rights legislation in the 1950s that LBJ and the Democrats opposed.
Strom Thurmond was the only former Democrat segregationist politician that switched to GOP. That is why you and other leftwingers always cite him as your example of the Big Switch.
Robert KKK Byrd and AL Gore's father filibustered the Civil Rights ACt of 1964 and they never switched. You guys voted for the son of AL Gore Sr in 2000. lol
It seems more likely the white racists are still in Democratic party if you guys nominated the son of a man who filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
Bill Clinton's mentor in Arkansas was William Fullbright, a Democrat segregionist who never switched to GOP. CLiton awarded FUllbright with the presidential medal of freedom and called Fullbright a great visionary. lol
If you say the two parties switched platforms, you should be able to point to segregation policies in the GOP's platform today.
My original point is it is funny to me that most of the people who complain about Tillman Hall being named after Tillman vote for the Democratic Party and have no problem with the party still using that name, even though it was Tillman's and the white racist party. lol
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:55 pm to SCLibertarian
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Being a football independent from 1971 to 1991 destroyed our program. I'm glad we bolted from those NC bastards in the ACC but there's no doubt that's where it all began. The rivalry was pretty even until the mid-1970's. I was born in 1985 and, before the beginning of our 5-game win streak in 2009, we had, in my lifetime, only beaten Clemson in 1987, 1992, 1994, 1996, 2001 and 2006.
I hope someone has mentioned in the 19 or so pages of this thread that Clemson was SUPPOSED leave the ACC when SC did in 1971. But the tigers whimped out and didn't go. It made a world of difference for the two programs.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:57 pm to Tillman
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ok....I wouldn't be a fan of Dabo if he cheated.
Dawww This is adorable.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:05 pm to SECUSC4
quote:wait until Tiller admits to the rant once again how he pulls for Duke in basketball, not Pickens.
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ok....I wouldn't be a fan of Dabo if he cheated.
Dawww This is adorable.
he's a special kind of special
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:06 pm to 1801
Prior to attending Clemson, I didn't follow CLemson sports. I had actually thought I would go to SC.
My father was a big Duke basketball fan even though he went to SC so I got that from him.
i haven't watched much Duke bball the last 15 years though.
I do pull for Clemson in basketball. I went to several games this year homey. lol
My father was a big Duke basketball fan even though he went to SC so I got that from him.
i haven't watched much Duke bball the last 15 years though.
I do pull for Clemson in basketball. I went to several games this year homey. lol
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:51 pm to Tillman
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ok....I wouldn't be a fan of Dabo if he cheated.
I actually don't think Dabo cheats.
Don't think any coaches do, especially after SMU, they aren't this dumb. The boosters do it, and as long as the Coach's names aren't on it, they get away from it.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:52 pm to 1801
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wait until Tiller admits to the rant once again how he pulls for Duke in basketball, not Pickens.
This was a disgusting plague when I was in college.
"OH I LIKE UNC or DUKE IN BASKETBALL"
Vomit
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:53 pm to Tillman
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My father was a big Duke basketball fan even though he went to SC so I got that from him.
I would like to take his Gamecock card
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:53 pm to Tillman
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:21 pm to Tillman
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You are so stupid.
Sure... we'll go with your ability to assess intellectual capacity.
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The Democrats in the south were still Democrats. The Democrats up north were in the bed with them until popular support started to go down for white racism.
So you're saying that as the American viewpoint changed, Northern Democrats changed and evolved with it, while Southern Democrats didn't... and remained racist. Check.
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GOP pushed civil rights legislation in the 1950s that LBJ and the Democrats opposed.
Note my comment until the 1940s... this has nothing to do with any point that I've made.. but let's continue.
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Strom Thurmond was the only former Democrat segregationist politician that switched to GOP. That is why you and other leftwingers always cite him as your example of the Big Switch.
Oh... solid job once again with the reading comprehension... Let's look at what I *said* exactly.:
"And he wasn't alone in abandoning the party for GOPer pastures"
Did I indicate specifically that a formerly Democratic *politician* changed parties? Primarily it was the southern white *voters* who switched parties based on the messaging pushed out from the candidates and the decisions made under the previous administration... Though if you want another example, pretty sure Jesse helms *also* moved from the Democratic party to the Republican party circa 1970...
For anyone who *actually* cares... there was an interesting read/case study on one rural county in Mississippi that shows voting alliances over time... don't read it for the commentary necessarily, but the actual movement in voting alignment by party is fascinating to see over time: LINK
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Robert KKK Byrd and AL Gore's father filibustered the Civil Rights ACt of 1964 and they never switched. You guys voted for the son of AL Gore Sr in 2000. lol
Uh... again. "You guys" may apply to some here, but I've voted R more than D in my lifetime... I'm just an informed individual not dumb enough to swallow your spoonfed bullshite.
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It seems more likely the white racists are still in Democratic party if you guys nominated the son of a man who filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
Because every son is the same as his father...
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Bill Clinton's mentor in Arkansas was William Fullbright, a Democrat segregionist who never switched to GOP. CLiton awarded FUllbright with the presidential medal of freedom and called Fullbright a great visionary. lol
There are a lot of *very* bright individuals who found themselves on the wrong side of history regarding race relations/rights. A flawed individual in many ways can sstill be a great visionary in others. I'm not saying he is visionary, as personally I don't know enough about him, but just silly to try and use that as the sole justification to then try and drag someone else down.
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If you say the two parties switched platforms, you should be able to point to segregation policies in the GOP's platform today.
So you see nothing similar about the current GOP platform position on immigration and or gay rights and how they could be likened to another similarly in the minority group at any other time in US history?
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My original point is it is funny to me that most of the people who complain about Tillman Hall being named after Tillman vote for the Democratic Party and have no problem with the party still using that name, even though it was Tillman's and the white racist party. lol
Because the group of people that made up the Democratic party then don't really resemble the group of individuals that made it up then?
You're not going to find me calling the current Republican party outright racist, as I don't think that's representative of the group at large... but if you ask me which one is more likely to have a higher percentage of racial bias in their policy/decision making, it's pretty easy in 2018 to see that it's not the one that starts with a D. At it's core, the idea of GOP as a fiscally conservative party and allowing states to determine how things would play out a bit more has a lot of appeal... but in practice, what we're seeing in 2018, is that this is not really how *federal* Republicans intend to have the government run... there's just a lot of hand waving to attempt to draw attention away from this as we accrue more debt and trample on states rights wherever this administration sees fit.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:31 pm to fibonaccisquared
This is just an intellectual smack down now. Big fan.
Fib > Tillman
Fib > Tillman
Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:57 pm to SECUSC4
He thinks having laws against illegal immigration is similar to segregation. Pretty much every country including Mexico has tougher immigration laws than the US but he will say immigration laws are racist.
He also doesn't mention how illegal immigration takes jobs from Americans to include minorities and gays and suppresses wages.
He doesn't mention the Americans raped and/or killed by illegal immigrants, to include black victims.
If the poor illegal immigrants flooding in were likely GOP voters, he and other leftists would have demanded a wall bigger than the one in Game of Thrones decades ago.
He can't point to any Republican segregation laws despite asserting white racists switched to the GOP so he has to talk about gay marriage and immigration.
Being against gay marriage doesn't mean a person is a racist. that's like saying somebody against pre-marital sex must be racist.
Moreover, Obama, CLintons, etc have opposed gay marriage in the past. Voters in very blue states like California and Mass voted against gay marriage when it was an issue on the ballot.
There are also a lot of REpublicans who have no problem with gay marriage. That issue is related to religion and age more than political party.
As far as I knnow, GOP has not tried to ban gay people from schools, voting, etc. Nobody is trying to make them ride at the back of the bus.
Trump actually appointed an openly gay man to be ambassador of Germany and Democrats held up his confirmation for a year.
He also doesn't mention how illegal immigration takes jobs from Americans to include minorities and gays and suppresses wages.
He doesn't mention the Americans raped and/or killed by illegal immigrants, to include black victims.
If the poor illegal immigrants flooding in were likely GOP voters, he and other leftists would have demanded a wall bigger than the one in Game of Thrones decades ago.
He can't point to any Republican segregation laws despite asserting white racists switched to the GOP so he has to talk about gay marriage and immigration.
Being against gay marriage doesn't mean a person is a racist. that's like saying somebody against pre-marital sex must be racist.
Moreover, Obama, CLintons, etc have opposed gay marriage in the past. Voters in very blue states like California and Mass voted against gay marriage when it was an issue on the ballot.
There are also a lot of REpublicans who have no problem with gay marriage. That issue is related to religion and age more than political party.
As far as I knnow, GOP has not tried to ban gay people from schools, voting, etc. Nobody is trying to make them ride at the back of the bus.
Trump actually appointed an openly gay man to be ambassador of Germany and Democrats held up his confirmation for a year.
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 3:05 pm to fibonaccisquared
Best post I've read on here in a LONG while.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 3:06 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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FIFY.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 3:11 pm to SECUSC4
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This is just an intellectual smack down now. Big fan.
Fib > Till
I note Gamecock fans don't want to talk about the actual topic. lol
Posted on 6/19/18 at 3:15 pm to Tillman
Tilly, is this you by any chance? Sooooo many similarities.
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