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Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:30 pm to Hubbhogg
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:30 pm to Hubbhogg
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We know this but our title is recognized by everyone except for people talking shite on TD. I'll take experts over rantards
Most Alabama fans' problems with Arkansas having a claim on 1964 lies with the fact that Alabama's titles prior to the poll era are questioned. That is to say, that every title Alabama has that's not a AP/UPI/Coaches'/BCS is questioned (i.e. 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, and 1941). Arkansas' claim to the 1964 title is not of the AP/UPI/Coaches'/BCS. See my point?
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Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:32 pm to SunHog
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The 1941 national championship is a fairy tale. Alabama (9-2) had lost to Mississippi State (SEC champs) and Vanderbilt. The Tide finished ranked 20th in the Associate Press Poll, behind four SEC teams.
Minnesota (8-0) swamped Duke (9-0) - now coached by Wallace Wade - in the final poll voting with 84.5 to 9.5 first-place votes. (1941 AP Poll) Minnesota swept the consensus picks (AP, CFRA, HAF, NCF). How can you be a national champion when you do not win your conference, were ranked 20th and had two more losses than the consensus champion?
In 1934, Alabama was Co-Champion of the SEC, but finished third in the inaugural AP Poll. Minnesota beat the Tide 50 to 5.5 first-place votes. All of the consensus selectors picked Minnesota.
In 1978, Alabama (11-1) lost to USC in the regular season. USC lost to a conference foe during the season. Alabama won the most consensus picks, but USC won the Coaches Poll. Some say USC is champion due to the head-to-head matchup. To me, this is a true split in the national championship.
Oh, Bama...
OK, when did we start on our other National Championships.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:33 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Most Alabama fans' problems with Arkansas having a claim on 1964 lies with the fact that Alabama's titles prior to the poll era are questioned. That is to say, that every title Alabama has that's not a AP/UPI/Coaches'/BCS is questioned (i.e. 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, and 1941). Arkansas' claim to the 1964 title is not of the AP/UPI/Coaches'/BCS. See my point?
I do, I'm just saying that when people talk about Arkansas, it's recognized that we have won a national title.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:38 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Most Alabama fans' problems with Arkansas having a claim on 1964 lies with the fact that Alabama's titles prior to the poll era are questioned. That is to say, that every title Alabama has that's not a AP/UPI/Coaches'/BCS is questioned (i.e. 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, and 1941). Arkansas' claim to the 1964 title is not of the AP/UPI/Coaches'/BCS. See my point?
Um... ha
I see the FWAA title is still around and has been almost as long as the UPI and AP therefore you CAN NOT discount it.
Plus, there will always be creditbility issues throughout the decades just as the FWAA title always awarded after bowl games the AP and UPI did before the games.
Therefore, No conformity means multi champions. Alabama should know this best when coming in 3rd place in an AP and still claiming a title, ha.
I'm sorry y'all dislike it but Arkansas splits that 1964 title, deal with it.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:41 pm to jatebe
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OK, when did we start on our other National Championships.
I see you can't refute the 1934 title coming in 3rd place or 1941 20th place of the AP, yet you hang your first place AP hat on the 1964 title while discounting the rest, go figure.
Bama logic at it's finest. If you are in the top 5 of the AP poll you can claim a National title.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:42 pm to SunHog
wiki? 
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:42 pm to TT9
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wiki?
And.. Those are the polls of multiple media giving national titles over the decades.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:46 pm to SunHog
It isn't going anywhere.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:46 pm to SunHog
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I see the FWAA title is still around and has been almost as long as the UPI and AP therefore you CAN NOT discount it.
My point is that most people usually reference the AP or Coaches Polls when talking about national champions over the decades. If Alabama's pre-poll titles are going to be challenged. I'm damn sure going to challenge Arkansas' 1964 claim.
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Alabama should know this best when coming in 3rd place in an AP and still claiming a title, ha.
Except the instance you referenced this is for 1934. The AP Poll was not an official entity until 1936. Now, I'm not going to dispute the 1941 claim. However, those Rose Bowl teams were considered "wire service poll champions". If people are going to dispute Alabama's claims, they better be doing the same to Pac-6/8/10/12 and Big Ten teams.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:51 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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I see the FWAA title is still around and has been almost as long as the UPI and AP therefore you CAN NOT discount it.
My point is that most people usually reference the AP or Coaches Polls when talking about national champions over the decades. If Alabama's pre-poll titles are going to be challenged. I'm damn sure going to challenge Arkansas' 1964 claim.
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Alabama should know this best when coming in 3rd place in an AP and still claiming a title, ha.
Except the instance you referenced this is for 1934. The AP Poll was not an official entity until 1936. Now, I'm not going to dispute the 1941 claim. However, those Rose Bowl teams were considered "wire service poll champions". If people are going to dispute Alabama's claims, they better be doing the same to Pac-6/8/10/12 and Big Ten teams.
Of course they reference mostly the AP and UPI polls now because most of the rest went out of business or merged after operations since 1930. Normal logic tells you this but it does not discount the award giving at that time period.
It's the same thing kids now don't even know Arkansas was in the SWC conference much less it was very strong at one point. However, it doesn't discount all the titles TAMU and Arkansas have from the SWC.
The FWAA is still around and nothing was agreed until the BCS era therefore all titles can be claimed by multiple teams.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:52 pm to jdevers
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A few years ago some fricker broke into my house and stole my TV, does that mean he earned it just because he has it in his house now?
terrible analogy is terrible
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:56 pm to SunHog
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Of course they reference mostly the AP and UPI polls now because most of the rest went out of business or merged after operations since 1930. Normal logic tells you this but it does not discount the award giving at that time period.
This kind of proves my point. Yet, people, including Arkansas fans, want to challenge Alabama's title claims that pre-date the poll era.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:02 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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This kind of proves my point. Yet, people, including Arkansas fans, want to challenge Alabama's title claims that pre-date the poll era.
My point is, looking at the chart above, the AP, UPI and FWAA are all still around but mean almost nothing now with the BCS era.
Therefore, each awarded National Titles in different ways making different National Champions before the BCS contract.
Arkansas and Alabama can both lay claim to the 1964 Titles as direct by different media outlets and delivered in different times of the season. FWAA was ALWAYS after the bowl games AP and UPI was ALWAYS before until it changed.
The underlying factor is Arkansas 11-0 and Alabama 10-1 on the field regardless of media in 1964.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:14 pm to SunHog
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The 1941 national championship is a fairy tale. Alabama (9-2) had lost to Mississippi State (SEC champs) and Vanderbilt. The Tide finished ranked 20th in the Associate Press Poll, behind four SEC teams.
Minnesota (8-0) swamped Duke (9-0) - now coached by Wallace Wade - in the final poll voting with 84.5 to 9.5 first-place votes. (1941 AP Poll) Minnesota swept the consensus picks (AP, CFRA, HAF, NCF). How can you be a national champion when you do not win your conference, were ranked 20th and had two more losses than the consensus champion?
Most Alabama fans don't like counting this one, though the Houlgate System picked Bama as #1, and the Alabama 1941 squad was published in the nationally syndicated Football Thesaurus. Also listed on the NCAA site as being picked by a selector as a National Champion.
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In 1934, Alabama was Co-Champion of the SEC, but finished third in the inaugural AP Poll. Minnesota beat the Tide 50 to 5.5 first-place votes. All of the consensus selectors picked Minnesota.
Legitimate. Rose Bowl champions of 1934 — The 1934 Alabama Crimson Tide football team, coached by Frank Thomas, completed the regular season 9–0–0, winning the Southeastern Conference championship. Alabama was then invited to play Stanford in the January 1, 1935 Rose Bowl. Coach Thomas' team defeated the Indians 29–13 to finish the season 10–0–0. Minnesota finished the season 8-0-0 and did not get invited to play in a bowl game. 1934 Bama National Championship is also listed on the NCAA site.
Tulane is listed as 1934 SEC co-champions. Their record was 10-1-0 with a loss to Colgate, NY.
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In 1978, Alabama (11-1) lost to USC in the regular season. USC lost to a conference foe during the season. Alabama won the most consensus picks, but USC won the Coaches Poll. Some say USC is champion due to the head-to-head matchup. To me, this is a true split in the national championship.
Legitimate. You can't go undefeated every time you win a national championship. Bama lost to USC at the beginning of the season.
The 1978 Alabama Crimson Tide football team, coached by Bear Bryant, completed the regular season 10–1–0, winning the Southeastern Conference championship. The Tide defeated #10–ranked Nebraska 20–3, and defeated #11–ranked Missouri 38–20, and lost to Southern Cal during the regular season. The #2-ranked Alabama Crimson Tide was then invited to play the #1–ranked Penn State in the January 1, 1979 Sugar Bowl. Coach Bryant's team defeated the Nittany Lions 14–7 to finish the season 11–1–0. The 1978 Alabama football team was selected national champions by the AP Poll among other selectors.
USC won the UPI national championship. Their record was 12-1-0 with a loss to Arizona State several games after their win over Alabama which dropped them in the polls. Alabama, in the meantime, did not lose another game, so they were rising in the polls.
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Oh, Bama...
Why not worry about your own team's many national championships instead of Alabama's. Oh wait....
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:20 pm to jatebe
You wasted a whole lot of time by replying to slow. Catch up with Cap and I.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:25 pm to jatebe
Thanks for the link. 
1964
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Litkenhous, UPI
Arkansas: Billingsley, Football Research, FW, Helms, NationalChampionship Foundation, Poling
Michigan: Dunkel
Notre Dame: DeVold, FB News, NFF, Sagarin
1977
Alabama: Football Research *
Arkansas: FACT *
Notre Dame: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT *, FBNews, Football Research *, FW, Helms, Matthews, NationalChampionship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI
Texas: Berryman, FACT *
1964
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Litkenhous, UPI
Arkansas: Billingsley, Football Research, FW, Helms, NationalChampionship Foundation, Poling
Michigan: Dunkel
Notre Dame: DeVold, FB News, NFF, Sagarin
1977
Alabama: Football Research *
Arkansas: FACT *
Notre Dame: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT *, FBNews, Football Research *, FW, Helms, Matthews, NationalChampionship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI
Texas: Berryman, FACT *
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:52 pm to SunHog
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Thanks for the link.
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1964
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Litkenhous, UPI
Arkansas: Billingsley, Football Research, FW, Helms, NationalChampionship Foundation, Poling
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1977
Alabama: Football Research *
Arkansas: FACT *
Bama doesn't claim 1977.
"In addition to the championships claimed by the university, the NCAA lists Alabama as receiving a championship for the 1945, 1966, 1975, and 1977 college football seasons, however those championships are not claimed by Alabama."
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:56 pm to jatebe
You do realize the NCAA doesn't recognize any Football titles officially.
They are just listing the people who provided the trophies via different media outlets.
Arkansas also doesn't claim the 1977 Championship either.
Oh, one last time.
Arkansas 11-0
Alabama 10-1 on the football field 1964.
They are just listing the people who provided the trophies via different media outlets.
Arkansas also doesn't claim the 1977 Championship either.
Oh, one last time.
Arkansas 11-0
Alabama 10-1 on the football field 1964.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 7:00 pm to SunHog
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You wasted a whole lot of time by replying to slow. Catch up with Cap and I.
I have a life. Was cooking dinner for my family.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 7:01 pm to jatebe
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I have a life. Was cooking dinner for my family.
I have dual screens in my office. It's not my fault you are 2 hours ahead.
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