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The WSJ take on the bottle-throwing incident

Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:05 pm
Posted by FootballFrenzy
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:05 pm
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In college football, there is the right call, and the wrong call, and apparently, there is no need to be sportsmanlike about it anymore.

All you have to do is throw a fit and a few hundred water bottles—and eventually you’ll get your way.

What other conclusion can be reached from Saturday’s fiasco at the Texas-Georgia game, in which officials flagged the Longhorns for a critical pass interference penalty, only to reverse it minutes later, after grouchy Texas fans (many in the student section, The Daily Texan reported) rained a fusillade of single-use plastic bottles and other trash on to the gridiron?

What are we doing here, friends?

It’s hard not to see Texas Football’s Impromptu Recycling Night as another example of our cultural slide into Tantrum Nation, a depressingly self-interested society in which what matters most is who whines the loudest—and civility takes a back seat to classlessness.

“We’ve set a precedent,” Georgia coach Kirby Smart said later. “If you throw a bunch of stuff on the field and endanger athletes, you’ve got a chance to get your call reversed.”

Hard to argue with Visor Man Kirb there. What an embarrassment to Texas and the Southeastern Conference—not to mention an affront to the good, stainless steel folks of the reusable water bottle industry.

The SEC fined Texas $250,000, a pittance barely enough to buy a third-string punter. Texas released a meek statement: While we deeply appreciate the passion and loyalty of our fan base at the University of Texas at Austin, we do not condone the unsportsmanlike conduct that was exhibited by some individuals throwing objects onto the field during last night’s game…

While we deeply appreciate the passion and loyalty of our fan base…Who is Texas trying to placate here? People who threw water bottles and missed?

Now I know what you’re thinking: Jason, settle down, you old crab. The officials ultimately made the right call. That’s the bottom line.

To that I’ll say this: I am an old crab. And I agree it was a terrible call, really lousy, and might have meant something in a game that Texas wasn’t being thoroughly handled in. (As it turned out, the No. 1 Longhorns scored shortly after the interception, but still wound up being thumped 30-15, dropping to No. 5 in the rankings.)

But what was very obvious to anyone watching was that the bottle meltdown, uh, worked—the lengthy cleanup delay appeared to give the tormented officials breathing room to consult each other and flip a controversial call.

Doesn’t the water thrower think: Well, I did my job? (I wonder: Is some enterprising student going to get a water bottle name, image, likeness deal?)

What message does this send for the future? Tantrums away? What happens in the upcoming 12-team playoff when mighty Indiana is playing undefeated Navy for the National Championship (don’t laugh; it could happen) and the Hoosiers don’t like a call on the field? Kroger bottle hailstorm?

If that is the bottom line, count me out.
Like most fiascos in sports, this has all been a long time coming. The tiresome obsessiveness with instant replay and slo-mo forensics has made too many fans think that games should be immaculate events with no room for human interpretation or error.

This obstinate fussiness, routinely soft-pedaled as the pursuit of “fairness,” has infected sports from the big time professionals all the way down to Pee-wee weekends.

It’s why NFL games are constantly delayed by “challenges” of pinkie touches and out-of-bounds toes and you need at least three Ph.D.s to know what a catch is anymore. It’s why the final two minutes of too many NBA games have become borderline unwatchable. It’s why the mention of VAR makes a European soccer fan crawl under a coffee table. It’s why over-criticized youth sports referees and umpires are bailing by the busload.

This pursuit of “fairness”—a lot of it driven by ever-accessible gambling apps—sells a dubious idea: that sports, or life, will ever truly be fair. Setbacks aren’t there to overcome—they’re to be reviewed and overturned.

Don’t like it? Don’t put your head down and try harder.

Just throw a plastic bottle. Throw a spiral, you might even get recruited!


Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:07 pm to
It’s like everybody forgets that there were hard seltzer, cans, and white claws all over the field too
Posted by FootballFrenzy
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:07 pm to
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The SEC fined Texas $250,000, a pittance barely enough to buy a third-string punter.

Lol, I didn't notice this the first time I read it.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:11 pm to
Good article, but he forgot to mention pass interference isn't reviewable and they had already called the penalty.

They not only gave in to Texas fans, they broke the rule book to do it.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 5:12 pm
Posted by BraggBlvd
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:15 pm to
I’d gladly like to meet them again and beat there arse Again just to see another incident like that happen again
Posted by GruvenDawg
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:36 pm to
Texas sure as hell better be glad they didn't review this OPI...the receiver literally pulled our DB into him.

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Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:39 pm to
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It’s like everybody forgets that there were hard seltzer, cans, and white claws all over the field too



was there broken glass?

serious question



ETA: especially if one glass bottle lands on another glass bottle, you've probably got broken glass
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 5:41 pm
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:49 pm to
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.the receiver literally pulled our DB into him.


no he literally did not



that's a no call
Posted by Trumansfangs
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:49 pm to
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“We’ve set a precedent,” Georgia coach Kirby Smart said later. “If you throw a bunch of stuff on the field and endanger athletes, you’ve got a chance to get your call reversed.”



Wow...shaky ground there. Coming from a punch thrower !


Okefenokee Kirbster !
Posted by GruvenDawg
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:54 pm to
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no he literally did not

that's a no call


He did, and we got called for DPI instead of OPI
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:56 pm to
No


I agree you should not have been called for PI



But no, the receiver did nothing wrong, the corner did nothing wrong


The refs are douchebags




Life is not a video game. The receiver did not "pull the DB into him"
Posted by Gravy_Train
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Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:59 pm to
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Good article, but he forgot to mention pass interference isn't reviewable and they had already called the penalty.


Still crowing over an incorrect penalty that was assessed not only due to incompetence ( the penalty was originally announced on the wrong player and was supposed to be OPI on the UGA receiver) but actually supporting outright corruption from SEC officials who have the ability to influence the outcome of a game.

From years of watching SEC football, it seems some form of conference officiating gets in the way and none are held accountable for it.

I'm not sure where the notion that passes interference isn't reviewable in the NCAA handbook; it seems they've given the replay official a wide variance of situations where he can correct errors or even introduce a foul, except where a clear game fundamentals rule was violated, like a forward pass beyond the line of scrimmage:

quote:

Limitations on Reviewable Plays
ARTICLE 7. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. However,
the replay official may correct obvious errors that may have a significant
impact on the outcome of the game, including those involving the game clock,
whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes fouls that are not specifically
reviewable (See Article 8, following).


quote:

Passes
ARTICLE 2. Reviewable plays involving passes include:
a. Pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted anywhere in the field of
play or an end zone.
b. Forward pass touched by a player (eligible or ineligible) or an official,
including whether the touching is beyond or behind the line of scrimmage.
c. Forward pass or forward handing when a ball carrier is or has been beyond
the neutral zone.
d. A forward pass or forward handing after a change of team possession.
e. Pass ruled forward or backward.


quote:

SECTION 7. Overturning an On-Field Ruling
Criterion for Overturn
ARTICLE 1. To overturn an on-field ruling, the replay official must be
convinced beyond all doubt by indisputable video evidence through one or
more video replays provided to the monitor. [Exception: Targeting (Rule
12-3-5).]
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 6:01 pm
Posted by Clark14
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:01 pm to
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“We’ve set a precedent,” Georgia coach Kirby Smart said later. “If you throw a bunch of stuff on the field and endanger athletes, you’ve got a chance to get your call reversed.”



This was my thought after the reversal. Get ready to duck texas, you’re messing with the wrong people.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30659 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:04 pm to
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I'm not sure where the notion that passes interference isn't reviewable in the NCAA handbook


Ok, just show me an example of a ref announcing the previous play is under review to see if there was or wasn't pass interference.

I have no interest in being wrong and I will gladly change my mind. Real simple.
Posted by teamjackson
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:06 pm to
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ETA: especially if one glass bottle lands on another glass bottle, you've probably got broken glass


What happens if 2 glass bottles land on another 2 glass bottles?
Posted by Gravy_Train
Texas
Member since Sep 2019
62 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:11 pm to
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Ok, just show me an example of a ref announcing the previous play is under review to see if there was or wasn't pass interference.


I agree with you on that; I can't recall a game where the replay official overturned a non-call for pass interference, and they seem to only stop play for a review on a catchable ball (vs stepping out of bounds or making contact with the ground).

The precedent set here is one that ALL SEC fans should be wary of, as bad (or even corrupt) officiating has affected them in the past or may likely in the future.

If the interruption by Texas fans gave the replay official delay to actually review the call, then the refs themselves were justifying the behavior to do their jobs. They were so incompetent they failed to give Texas a delay of game penalty or unsportsmanlike penalty which would have taken 15 yards away from the return.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 6:14 pm
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
17278 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:15 pm to
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Ok, just show me an example of a ref announcing the previous play is under review to see if there was or wasn't pass interference.

I have no interest in being wrong and I will gladly change my mind. Real simple.

If this is true, this would actually give the official who threw the flag a reason to go huddle the officials after the fact and to correct the call.



Jeff Ward, the Longhorn Radio guy, said on Saturday night that the officials were already discussing the call when the bottles started to be thrown on the field.

I have no idea what is true is what is not.. but I did read about the Jeff Ward thing immediately after the game.

At the end of the day, it was a bad look for Texas and it 100% sends the wrong message. It shouldn't have happened no matter what happens on the field.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30659 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:16 pm to
quote:


I agree with you on that; I can't recall a game where the replay official overturned a non-call for pass interference, and they seem to only stop play for a review on a catchable ball (vs stepping out of bounds or making contact with the ground).

The precedent set here is one that ALL SEC fans should be wary of, as bad (or even corrupt) officiating has affected them in the past or may likely in the future.

If the interruption by Texas fans gave the replay official delay to actually review the call, then the refs themselves were justifying the behavior to do their jobs. They were so incompetent they failed to give Texas a delay of game penalty or unsportsmanlike penalty which would have 15 yards away from the return.


I am glad in the sense they got the call right. But in the end they actually just made a series of bad calls that demonstrated the fans do in fact have an effect on how the game is officiated. If it was a test on the actual calls/actions, none of them would have been correct.

And that's what the SEC should have generally said while punishing/correcting the crew etc because that's what actually happened and everyone knows it.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30659 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:19 pm to
quote:

If this is true, this would actually give the official who threw the flag a reason to go huddle the officials after the fact and to correct the call.

Jeff Ward, the Longhorn Radio guy, said on Saturday night that the officials were already discussing the call when the bottles started to be thrown on the field.

I have no idea what is true is what is not.. but I did read about the Jeff Ward thing immediately after the game.

At the end of the day, it was a bad look for Texas and it 100% sends the wrong message. It shouldn't have happened no matter what happens on the field.


I can't remember directly, but I know I saw someone say the ball was already lined up and play was about to begin when the bottles started. No idea if they were correct, I was reading here.

I don't have access to a replay to see for sure, but that shouldn't be hard to prove one way or another.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 6:20 pm
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