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Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:12 am to southernboisb
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:12 am to southernboisb
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So, do you see more additions to the conference?
Good question. The PAC and ACC have no viable expansion options. The Big Ten would love to get Notre Dame, UVA, UNC and/or Duke, but it seems highly unlikely that any of those schools would leave the ACC. (The money would be tempting, but the rivalries, tradition, and geographic proximity would be a lot to to sacrifice, especially for the Carolina schools.) Also, there's no way Notre Dame would give up its independence in football, especially with the playoff set to expand in the next few years. The SEC would love to add UNC or UVA if the opportunity ever arose, but as I said before it seems unlikely those schools would leave the ACC, despite the revenue gap. So I think the new alignment will be stable.
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:18 am to XWing atAliciousness
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And nobody’s printing shirts. The post I replied to said “they bring nothing”, which is empirically false. Don’t be pissy that I proved you wrong. If you don’t like those other sports, fine. That’s your own prerogative. I’d rather be good at them than no, though
Honestly I am glad you are proud of those sports, because UT sucks at the major sports. Honestly UT use to be good at baseball, but while Texas has won 2 titles since 2000, it matches USCe and Vanderbilt during that time span.
The SEC does fine in the Olympic sports, and adding a school that is really only good at those sports brings nothing to the SEC. Do not be upset, it is just a fact.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:25 pm to zounami
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Posted by zounami on 3/16/22 at 10:12 am to southernboisb quote: So, do you see more additions to the conference? Good question. I've followed realignment closely over the years, and I think this new "P4" alignment will be stable. Here's why I don't see any of the remaining power conferences (SEC, ACC, PAC, B1G) realigning in the foreseeable future (if ever)... • The PAC has no viable expansion options. (By "viable" I mean schools that meet their standard of academics, culture, tradition, and of course some degree of geographic proximity. Schools like Nevada, Boise State, BYU, SDSU, etc.. fall short in that regard.) • The ACC has no viable expansion options, either. • The Big Ten would love to get Notre Dame, UVA, UNC or Duke, but it's highly unlikely that any of those schools would ever leave the ACC. The money would be tempting, but ultimately the rivalries, tradition, and geographic proximity (especially for the Carolina schools) would be too much to sacrifice. Also, there's absolutely no way that Notre Dame would give up its independence in football, especially with the playoff set to expand in the next few years. • The SEC would also add UNC or UVA if the opportunity ever arose, perhaps even Duke or VT, but as I said above it's highly unlikely those schools would ever leave the ACC, despite the revenue gap. So I think the new "P4" alignment will be stable. And that's probably a good thing for college sports, to be honest. The Big 12 (as a power conference) was expendable, but it would be bad for the game if the ACC were ever raided by the SEC or Big Ten. IMO, this new alignment is optimal.
My counter take is:
ACC has a horrible TV deal (espin) and it runs til 2034 so unless espin lets them out they are stuck.
My thought is SEC and BIG aren’t done expanding. If so then:
SEC gobbles up 4 ACC teams. ESPIN would allow the top ACC teams out of TV deal to go to SEC. This would get them to 20 teams and could go as much as 24 in a later deal.
BIG also could mostly merge with select PAC and become 20 teams or even 24. Maybe need some random other conf team to get to 24. This allows BIG/PAC to wall off non SEC parts of country.
That leaves 2 super conferences and then everyone else. In this regard things could really be run by these conferences and even leave ncaa if wanted.
The only thing that might stop all these moves is if Congress jumps in. Since most colleges get Fed funds that might be only sticking point.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:56 pm to TideFaninFl
You like it? You think Huntsville is cool? I've never heard anyone say "I'm going to Huntsville on vacation". I mean what's so good about Huntsville?
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:32 pm to MackDaddyBrown
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You like it? You think Huntsville is cool? I've never heard anyone say "I'm going to Huntsville on vacation". I mean what's so good about Huntsville?
I've been to Huntsville on a weekend getaway to see all of the space stuff and know quite a few others who have as well.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:41 pm to zounami
Oklahoma State is #4 in the total number of national championships across all sports in D-I.
It's unfathomable that they get left out of the "Power" conferences.
Also, it's a false presumption that the Big-12 is going to fall out of "Power" status. It's a better conference than the PAC in performance on the field/court.
It's unfathomable that they get left out of the "Power" conferences.
Also, it's a false presumption that the Big-12 is going to fall out of "Power" status. It's a better conference than the PAC in performance on the field/court.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:51 pm to MackDaddyBrown
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You like it? You think Huntsville is cool? I've never heard anyone say "I'm going to Huntsville on vacation". I mean what's so good about Huntsville?
Huntsville wants to be left alone. I could tell you but then you would want to visit and you think I am kidding
Huntsville was forced to add a spur to tie it to I-65 (about 25 miles away), there was a huge uproar. They built it going through the city, but Huntsville tied it to Hwy 72 going to Scottsboro (so it goes about 35 miles total). Atlanta and Memphis have tried, unsuccessfully, to have an interstate built to Huntsville, but every time Huntsville says "NO"
Huntsville barely advertises for tourists (Space Center Complex is there, you know where the US Space Program was born and developed) and you do not hear a lot about it.
Like I said, Huntsville wants to be left alone.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:03 pm to TideFaninFl
When you have a federal facility of that magnitude, it assures that you won’t be left alone. Too much spinoff from that.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 6:19 am to multicampus
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Oklahoma State is #4 in the total number of national championships across all sports in D-I.
Of the 52 championships that Okie Lite claims: 34 wrestling championships, 11 Golf Championships, and 5 Equestrian Championships, and one retroactive bs claim on the 1945 football championship just doesn't bring relevance. Not to mention that 32 of these occurred prior to 1970.
Back to 1945, there is no doubt that Army was the 1945 champ, they went 9-0 and 5-0 vs top 10 teams (destroying them by an average of 36 points), Okie A&M was 9-0 in a mid major conference and didn't play a top 10 team.
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It's unfathomable that they get left out of the "Power" conferences.
Also, it's a false presumption that the Big-12 is going to fall out of "Power" status. It's a better conference than the PAC in performance on the field/court.
The bottom line is that Okie Lite just doesn't have anything to add to most conferences that they don't have. They are not a cultural fit for the B1G, they "may" fit for the Pac 12 if it is desperate.
You need to work this out, either they are Power or they are not, what you say here contradicts itself. Personally I agree with you, the new Big 12 should be a P5 conference, as you mention it is better than the PAC 12 and has more depth than the ACC, though I don't think it has a program at the top that rivals Clemson.
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 6:30 am
Posted on 3/17/22 at 8:04 am to Sooner a Reb
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The bottom line is that Okie Lite just doesn't have anything to add to most conferences that they don't have. They are not a cultural fit for the B1G, they "may" fit for the Pac 12 if it is desperate.
You need to work this out, either they are Power or they are not, what you say here contradicts itself. Personally I agree with you, the new Big 12 should be a P5 conference, as you mention it is better than the PAC 12 and has more depth than the ACC, though I don't think it has a program at the top that rivals Clemson.
OSU is the odd man out in the power plays taking place. As you state, they don't fit in the B1G; but they also don't fit in the PAC.
I would definitely rather have them in the SEC than Mizzou.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 8:13 am to multicampus
Agreed, but unfortunately they don't bring St. Louis or KC...
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