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Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:45 pm to ejohns74
Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:45 pm to ejohns74
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Bringing bottom tier conferences in the conversation should't happen; however, an "at-large" bid for a team out performing their conference is acceptable
OK, I see your point, thanks. As long as none of the AT Large are from the same conference as a Conference Champion who is in the playoffs.
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:50 pm to Mulat
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If it is going to be 8, I prefer Conferences Champions for the 8
strictly to eliminate bias?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:54 pm to ejohns74
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strictly to eliminate bias?
Pretty Much and frankly I do not want schools like Notre Dame sliding in with the AT Large. But I also see your point about what happens skill wise after 5 Conferences. I don't have the answers but I figure if we keep working at it we will find the best reasonable solution.
For sure I am tired of a group deciding who the playoff folks should be. So I am for something very objective and reasonable.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:56 pm to Mulat
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For sure I am tired of a group deciding who the playoff folks should be
year 1 fatigue... that happend fast ha
Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:59 pm to ejohns74
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year 1 fatigue... that happend fast ha
To me it is the same stuff with different packaging.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:11 pm to Mulat
No on conference champion being an automatic in. Wisconsin in 2012 won the B10 CG coming in with a 7-5 record and 4-4 in the conference. Won the game and went to the BCS Rose Bowl with an 8-5 record ranked 23rd in the country.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:13 pm to TideWarrior
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No on conference champion being an automatic in. Wisconsin in 2012 won the B10 CG coming in with a 7-5 record and 4-4 in the conference. Won the game and went to the BCS Rose Bowl with an 8-5 record ranked 23rd in the country.
But if this happend to an SEC school we would just say, "our conference is strong from top to bottom"
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:15 pm to i am dan
Sucks. I don't necessarily agree that all of those conference champs ought to automatically get in. And don't get me started with those "at large" teams who play wimpy schedules.
The perfect system would have been to keep the BCS formula (no committee) and take the top four finishers.
The perfect system would have been to keep the BCS formula (no committee) and take the top four finishers.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:35 pm to GregAl
But what if condelezza rice disagrees
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:44 pm to i am dan
16 would be better and you could do it with 1 extra week
P5 Conf CG. (Big 12 goes to 12 or gets waiver for a CCG) (10 teams)
2 at large on campus games or neutral site (4 teams)
And for the other conferences giving up CC games , 2 highest ranked conf champs meet in final game on campus ( 2 teams)
8 winners are then seeded for 4 on campus games the next week
Winners advance to current CFP rotation
Advantages- P5 Confs are guaranteed at least one spot in QTRs, and the mid majors are guaranteed at least 1 team in QTRS.
Play your way in!
P5 Conf CG. (Big 12 goes to 12 or gets waiver for a CCG) (10 teams)
2 at large on campus games or neutral site (4 teams)
And for the other conferences giving up CC games , 2 highest ranked conf champs meet in final game on campus ( 2 teams)
8 winners are then seeded for 4 on campus games the next week
Winners advance to current CFP rotation
Advantages- P5 Confs are guaranteed at least one spot in QTRs, and the mid majors are guaranteed at least 1 team in QTRS.
Play your way in!
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 9/3/14 at 7:29 pm to i am dan
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i am dan
The Perfect Playoff System
8 Team Playoff
Winners of Power Conference Championships
- ACC
- SEC
- Big10
- Big12
- Pac12
3 At Large Bids
- AT LEAST 2 teams from Non-Power Conferences (MEAC, AA, USA, Independents, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt)
The 3 At large could be rethought. I'd like to see some cinderella teams in football. Always makes the NCAA Tourney fun.
& how do you determine who plays whom?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 7:42 pm to TheCaterpillar
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TheCaterpillar
The Perfect Playoff System
- 8 teams
- 5 conf champions and the 3 highest ranked at larges using the BCS formula
- Rank them 1-8 using BCS formula
- Round of 8 (first 4 games) are played January 1st on top 4 teams campuses
- Round of 4 (2 games) played in rotating BCS bowls on January 7th
- Round of 2 (title game) played in rotating BCS bowl on January 14th
You really think 6 days is enough time to prepare for another game?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:31 pm to GregAl
GregAL. Is spot on.
Regarding the op's post. Never going to 8. Why? You will diminish the product. Over the last 20 years, name a year where the top four in the final BCS poll were not the
Four teams is fine. It will create lots of criticism and teams 5,6,7 and 8 will scream bloody murder. We will have a meaningful New Years Day again. College football without conflict is called the NFL. Don't want it.
Regarding the op's post. Never going to 8. Why? You will diminish the product. Over the last 20 years, name a year where the top four in the final BCS poll were not the
Four teams is fine. It will create lots of criticism and teams 5,6,7 and 8 will scream bloody murder. We will have a meaningful New Years Day again. College football without conflict is called the NFL. Don't want it.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:35 pm to bamaoldtimer
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bamaoldtimer
The Perfect Playoff System
GregAL. Is spot on.
Regarding the op's post. Never going to 8. Why? You will diminish the product. Over the last 20 years, name a year where the top four in the final BCS poll were not the
Four teams is fine. It will create lots of criticism and teams 5,6,7 and 8 will scream bloody murder. We will have a meaningful New Years Day again. College football without conflict is called the NFL. Don't want it.
& how many times were 3/4 the same OR BETTER than 1/2?
I also remember a certain season when an UNDEFEATED Auburn got snubbed from the NCG.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 5:05 am to southernboisb
Thanks to everyone for contributing to this thread, it helped me understand how complicated it to devise an equitable Playoff System.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:14 am to southernboisb
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I also remember a certain season when an UNDEFEATED Auburn got snubbed from the NCG.
Don't want to get snubbed? Don't have this on your OOC schedule:
- the citadel (div 1-AA)
- Ulm
- ull
Had they scheduled any I-a team from a major conference or replaced one of the Louisiana teams with a strong mid major they would have been in the championship.
Instead you had Oklahoma and USC who had less cream puffs on the schedule
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:48 am to bamaoldtimer
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Never going to 8. Why? You will diminish the product.
The powers that be don't care about the "product", they care about making money. They will add playoff games because that creates move TV revenue. I doubt if they will stop at 8.
Why do you think the NFL has "wild card" teams, so that some 9-7 team can play some 8-8 team?
I am old enough to remember when the NCAA B-Ball tourney was 16 teams, and the NFL "playoffs" was one (1) game. You know, back when conference championships meant something.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:53 am to Mulat
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it helped me understand how complicated it to devise an equitable Playoff System.
As with anything in life, there's no system to make everyone happy. I gave my idea, as a way to try and cator to everyone's wants. Which also means the extremists would never like it.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:18 pm to ironsides
quote:Yes, and far fewer good teams as well.
Instead you had Oklahoma and USC who had less cream puffs on the schedule
In '04 AU played 5 games against teams that won at least 9 of their 11 regular season games: Tennessee (twice), LSU, Georgia, and VA Tech.
Southern Cal played 3: VA Tech, Cal, and Oklahoma
OKlahoma played 2: Texas and Southern Cal.
I know the voters downgraded AU because of the cupcakes, but both SC and OU played far more mediocre-to-bad teams than AU did that year.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:27 pm to BammerDelendaEst
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I am old enough to remember when the NCAA B-Ball tourney was 16 teams, and the NFL "playoffs" was one (1) game. You know, back when conference championships meant something.
And the way to make Conference Championships meaningful again is to have 8 automatic bids to the National Championship.
Overtime the weaker schools will become strong and all conferences will benefit and most of all the athletes themselves.
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