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re: The only ranked team Ok. plays is Iowa St. let that sink in.

Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:22 am to
Posted by Oklahomey
Bucksnort, TN
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:22 am to
Well, Aggy will stay middle of the pack. OU will contend with Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:52 am to
Nah their biggest win ever was beating LSU in a largely meaningless game in 2018. They made cups and have giant painting front and center in Jimbo's office.
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
886 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:56 am to
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It's so pointless to even debate with Sooners. Going to be fun watching you become a middle of the pack SEC team as you discover you can't play 7 on 7 and win here.


I don’t think Florida thought we were playing 7 on 7 when Stephenson was running through them last year.

OU is not a Leach offense. We have generally had solid run blocking offensive lines and RBs and have been pretty balanced over the years.

Btw I know your offense is stuck in the ‘90s but I’d suggest you look around at the rest of your conference.
This post was edited on 9/17/21 at 11:59 am
Posted by Sooner a Reb
Maryland
Member since Jan 2017
1574 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:56 am to
Since excuses are like assholes around here I will educate you a bit.

KSU was better in the beginning of last year until Skylar Thompson was injured. They owned Stanford with Thompson, who was hurt last week (again) which is why they are underdogs.
Last year in Sept OU was in serious danger of not playing, they barely had enough players healthy on the roster to play, but instead of cancelling games like A&M, they played them, and they lost, twice, mainly because they had no depth and were missing key components. I get it you should still win these games, but they were also breaking in a new QB. This is why they got better as the season went on, they got their players back and their QB got reps with them.
This post was edited on 9/17/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:01 pm to
I keep bringing up how y'all beat us by 35 and they only beat us by 3 but Ags keep ignoring that for some mysterious reason.
Posted by Boomer Sooner 1890
Member since Jul 2021
487 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:04 pm to
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Actually none of them were "biggest bowl wins" in A&M history because none of them came after A&M's 17 Conference Championships. They were all nice wins. It's just you guys keep talking as though you own us and we could never beat you and yet we destroyed you the last time we played. It was a nice W but just a consolation game and definitely not as big of a W over the eventual NC Bama in Tuscaloosa.

It's so pointless to even debate with Sooners. Going to be fun watching you become a middle of the pack SEC team as you discover you can't play 7 on 7 and win here.


I'll ask you again then. What is your biggest bowl win? You just keep indicating the "biggest bowl wins" would be after your 17 conference championships (OU has only managed to win 50).

It looks like aggy played 13 bowl games after winning conference titles and went 6-7 (on a 4 game losing streak). Let us know which couple bowl wins were the biggest in aggy history. Really, you could rank them pretty quickly since there's only 6.

1921 Dixie Classic, beat Centre 22-14
1939 Sugar, beat Tulane 14-13
1940 Cotton, beat Fordhom 13-12
1967 Cotton, beat Bama 29-21
1985 Cotton, beat Auburn 36-16
1987 Cotton, beat ND 35-10

Your pappy probably told you aggy had a "shite ton" of years winning a conference and bowl game. You posted aggy won "a ton" of Cotton Bowls, when it's only 5. I imagine 6 conference/bowl wins combos upgrades to "shite ton."

It's pointless to debate aggy, because they lie constantly and re-write history. Not much worse than thieves and liars, and aggy is fully of lies.
Posted by Sooner a Reb
Maryland
Member since Jan 2017
1574 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:07 pm to
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I keep bringing up how y'all beat us by 35 and they only beat us by 3 but Ags keep ignoring that for some mysterious reason.


This won't be settled until whenever OU gets into the league, but for some reason, Aggies are EXTREMELY self conscious when it comes to OU and do everything to try and justify their past failures. Personally I had nothing against them until coming here, but other than Texas fans (normal), they are by far the most delusional fanbase on the Rant. Furthermore, they feel like their last 10 years in the SEC makes them able to act like they are now relevant, when in fact just about every other fanbase on here is laughing at them.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29285 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:09 pm to
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they are by far the most delusional fanbase on the Rant


How many SEC Championships do you think OU wins its first decade in the league? Do you think OU has been a better and more accomplished program over the past 20 years than LSU? How many road SEC venues do you think OU has a winning record in?
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
886 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:17 pm to
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I keep bringing up how y'all beat us by 35 and they only beat us by 3 but Ags keep ignoring that for some mysterious reason.


For the record, I have utmost respect for your program. I would trade the last 15 years with you.

I never bring up the game with Florida to trash you. It is just to defend OU, usually from A&M and Missouri fans.
Posted by Sooner a Reb
Maryland
Member since Jan 2017
1574 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:33 pm to
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How many SEC Championships do you think OU wins its first decade in the league? Do you think OU has been a better and more accomplished program over the past 20 years than LSU? How many road SEC venues do you think OU has a winning record in?


Ok, first, you see, I am not the one throwing the stones, that is firmly on the Aggies, but I will answer your questions:
I think we will play in at least 3-4 championship games and win at least 1-2 in our first 10 years. I will say that it is HIGHLY unlikely that after 10 years OU will average 3rd-4th in our DIVISION in that period.
I think that over the last 20 years OU has been a more consistent winner and program, but does trail LSU by one championship in that time period. I think OU will give as good as it gets on the road, and there will not be a team that comes into Norman and dominates OU on a regular basis. But to be clear. OU would struggle as any one does in Baton Rouge, Tuscaloosa and Athens, but those teams would also struggle in Norman. In the 20 year period you mentioned OU was 4-2 in College Station, A&M was 0-6 in Norman. Missouri in that same time period is 0-3 in Norman, 1-2 in Columbia.
In that 20 year period Alabama is 0-1 in Norman and 0-1 in Tuscaloosa, Tennessee 0-1 in Norman, 0-1 in Knoxville. No other SEC teams have played a non-bowl game with OU except Vandy (0-2-1) and Kentucky (0-2). So you see there is not a lot of metrics to draw from. That is what should be so interesting about the move.
I have said that the first few years will be a transition point for OU, it will compete but not dominate, but as a program they will be a major player moving forward.
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
886 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:37 pm to
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OU was better at the end of the season than the beginning but so was A&M. We won our last 7 by double digits all against SEC teams except the Orange Bowl. You talk about how you would have beaten anyone but Bama but that's EXACTLY what A&M did last year. We didn't lose to 2 lower tier B12 teams either. Is that worth a trophy or printing cups? Nope, we need to do a lot more to win something that matters but it is still better than OU.

Oh and KSU is a terrible football team now. They are underdogs AT HOME AGAINST NEVADA. So please stop saying they are anything but a big pile of suck. They have had some decent seasons in the past but they are simply not someone a good team should lose to anymore at this point. I also will freely admit if Kevin Sumlin was still our coach we could lose to them but he is long gone.

I know you guys wish that the 2000 era of Aggie football was the entirety of Aggie football history and we were still the mediocre program of the Fran/Sherman years. We just aren't. Even last week with every possible thing going wrong and losing our starting QB on the road we pulled out the W. Jimbo is now 27-1 at A&M in games where we are favored.




I never said A&M wasn't a better team at the end of the year. Mentioning that OU was a better team at the end of the year was in response to multiple A&M fans mentioning the KSU loss which happened early in the year.

How is this year's KSU team relevant to this discussion?

I would point out that the "terrible" KSU team beat Stanford 24-7. Stanford beat USC last week by 14.

I can only guess that the spread against Nevada is due to the KSU QB getting injured. But that certainly doesn't have any relevance on this discussion.
Posted by Oklahomey
Bucksnort, TN
Member since Mar 2013
5602 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
886 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:47 pm to
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How many SEC Championships do you think OU wins its first decade in the league? Do you think OU has been a better and more accomplished program over the past 20 years than LSU? How many road SEC venues do you think OU has a winning record in?


If I had to guess I would say 1 or 2.

No OU fan here thinks we are going to go in and win at the rate we have won in the Big 12.

We do think we will be competitive with the Florida, Georgia, Auburn, and LSU's of the conference.

We don't think we will be overwhelmed by the talent in the SEC and lose 4 or 5 conference games a year which is what Aggie thinks. Both you and Missouri had early success and OU is certainly in a better position than either of you were in when you made the move.
This post was edited on 9/17/21 at 12:51 pm
Posted by RedDirtSooner
Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
699 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8796 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 1:04 pm to
Actually you have proven my point. You insist that A&M beating OU was the biggest game evah. Then you pointed out at least 5 games that were bigger wins. After that it is a debate among other non conference title game wins and OU in the Cotton is somewhere in that mix. So probably Top 10 Bowl win for us? Ok. Yes, 5 is still a "ton" when you are claiming there were none.

A&M used to lose a lot of bowl games in the RC era especially. Good to great teams that couldn't close (3 straight after SWC Titles). Still had some nice wins that were more memorable than the OU game even if they were regular season.

OU has a great history and its always nice to beat you. I just don't get your obsession that thinking A&M beating you was the greatest experience ever for A&M when it just wasn't. It's not like beating OU in Bowl games is a big accomplishment in the last decade but it's still nice. Normally when a team gets boat raced like that in the last game they have a little bit of humility but I guess you guys can just keep puffing your chests about how great you used to be when you won your last Natty in 2000. That was certainly more recent than us so congrats? Typically around here any Championships over a decade old are the butts of jokes, hell Auburn barely brings their last one up anymore and it wasn't that long ago.
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
886 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 1:06 pm to
Also, you guys like to point to the Cotton Bowl win and of course you should be proud of that but that was a low water point in the OU program and a high point for A&M.

Recruiting was down significantly in the early 2010's. Some speculate that Stoops lost his motivation to recruit. I don't know but the situation improved significantly once Riley got there.

In the same way that you were the program that Manziel built, we could consider Mayfield the savior of our program which seemed to be on a slide. Unlike you not being able to find another Manziel, we followed up Mayfield with Murray (thanks) and now Rattler.

We did probably have a better defense in 2012 than we had later in the decade as Mike Stoops destroyed us on that side of the ball but that situation has been rectified. I do believe we are now better defensively than we were in 2012.

Next time you play us you are not going to see a team like the one in 2012.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8796 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 1:09 pm to
You guys are claiming OU would have boatraced A&M at the end of the year and I simply pointed out how ridiculous the statement is because you lost to 2 teams that are about 50 notches below Bama (our only loss).

Keep pumping up and making excuses for KSU if you want. I remember listening to your "Heisman" QB talking about how tough the Tulane D was as if he had just played the '85 Chicago Bears. We just have different perspectives of quality teams I guess.
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
886 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 1:13 pm to
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I just don't get your obsession that thinking A&M beating you was the greatest experience ever for A&M when it just wasn't. It's not like beating OU in Bowl games is a big accomplishment in the last decade but it's still nice. Normally when a team gets boat raced like that in the last game they have a little bit of humility


You guys are the ones who keep bringing that game up.

This thread was created to trash OU and dozens of A&M fans jumped in. You expect us to bow down in humility because you beat us almost 9 years ago?

You guys are quick to say that what happened in 2011 or before is ancient history but point to 2012 as some defining moment in the A&M / OU rivaly. Get over yourself.
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
886 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 1:21 pm to
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You guys are claiming OU would have boatraced


Who said we would boat race you?

The only ones here saying their team is leaps and bounds better than the other is A&M fans.

I do think OU was better than A&M at the end of the year.

You guys are so delusional that you think that that statement is some type of slap in the face. How dare a Big 12 team think that they are better than our mighty SEC team! Get over yourself.

Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8796 posts
Posted on 9/17/21 at 1:22 pm to
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I keep bringing up how y'all beat us by 35 and they only beat us by 3 but Ags keep ignoring that for some mysterious reason.


Dan Mullen literally said this about the OU game:
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"The last game the 2020 team played was 11 days ago."


I mean OU showed up and played well but if the coach doesn't even GAS about the game the few players that showed up sure as hell don't. They sure as hell wanted the game they lost to us though when you were still undefeated.
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