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Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:39 pm to irish thug 527
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:39 pm to irish thug 527
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One of my first thoughts when I realized this may be bigger than Cam was if that played into Tubberville being let go. If perhaps he wouldn't take part in this nonesense (whatever it is) and if they needed to find someone that wood (Chiz and Super Trooper). I'm kinda wondering if they are puppets in this deal if it ends up being much bigger than Cam.
And the White Bronco Keeps Rolling through Westwood, Ca.
Those of you "In The Know" help me out with this, and excuse me if anything is incorrect. I'm trying to build a time-line here.
**** And I apologize in advance for the length, but it's a good read. Bear with me for a moment ****
CHAPTER 1 - (source: Darkside of College Football - 60 Minutes interview with TBowden)
1) Way back in 1992-93, rumors and allegations surrounding AU's football program are swirling around Pat Dye, Asst. Coach Wayne Hall (the "Bookkeeper"), and Bobby Lowder alleging lump sum as well as monthly payments to highly touted recruits. Supposedly, 50-60 boosters would each contribute $5,000 to facilitate the payments. Hall collected the money from the boosters, as well as making the payments to the players. Hall and Dye also pay an Atlanta Atty $30,000 to forward onto Gene Jelks to keep him squeeling about Pay-For-Play programs at Bama. (This by the way is absolutely hilarious!!)
2) The same year, Eric Ramsey has a concealed tape recorder and documents booster "Corky" Frost's conversations with Dye and other coaches describing AU's Pay-For-Play program.
3) Before the shitstorm gets totally out of control with NCAA Investigations, Bobby Lowder 'ram-rods" Terry Bowden into Dye's position, with the understanding Bowden keeps Hall (Paymaster and Bookkeeper) on staff, against the wishes of AD Mike Lude, because Lude knew Hall was the money man.
4) On August 18, 1993, Auburn was hit with some of the most severe penalties in the history of the NCAA (at that time). These included a two-year bowl ban, a one-year television ban (for the 1993 season), and the loss of 13 scholarships spread out over a four-year period. Dye was also banned from any appearance at an Auburn function until August 1995. The probation period, while enforced at the beginning of the 1993 season, did not actually start until the 1991 probations of the basketball and tennis teams ended. The probation therefore extended until Thanksgiving 1995.
5) Although Bowden admits to allowing Hall to honor payment agreements reached with existing players, Bowden begins the "termination" of the Play-For-Play program involving any new recruits, pissing Lowder off for not playing along. Lowder begins to panic, has his daughter hired as Bowden's Admin. Asst. to keep tabs, and implements a "coup" of the Athletic Administration. He has Muse replaced with David Housel, someone to act more as a puppet controlled by Lowder. Also orchestrates BoT Members Jimmy Rane (Yella Wood Guy) Spina, and McWhorter as the BoT Football Advisory Committee, which devise the demise of Bowden.
6) According to Bowden, Danny Rane (a walk on and YellaWood's son) is secretly sending AU practice tapes to Miss. St. to further the failure of Bowden and Staff (also absolutely hilarious if true.) Bill Oliver (Bowden's Def. Coord.) brings concealed tape recorder to coaches meeting and prods Bowden into lying about supposed "votes of confidence" assured for Bowden and Staff by Lowder. Mid-Season Tommy Tubs is promised AU's head coaching job, while still coaching at Ole Miss.
7) Bowden gets wind of all this, and resigns mid-season with a severance package valued at over $1.8Million. Included in the package is a confidentiality agreement sealing ANY discussion of Lowder, BoT, the Athletic Dept. or Recruiting.
CHAPTER 2 - TOMMY TUBS (source: AJC, Mobile Register, and ESPN Archived Articles via Google)
1) From 1999 to 2003, TT Wins between 7-9 games per season, placing 1st in the West twice. On more than one occasion, Lowder and TT butt heads during this period, pissing Lowder off.
2) Lowder, then President William Walker, Then AD Housel, and BoT members Franklin and McWhorter fly to Louisville to meet Bobby Petrino about replacing Tubs, starting the fiasco later known as JetGate.
3) Tubs gets pissed, threatens to go to the SACS (which is in the midst of it's own review of BoT problems), and the whole thing blows up in Lowder's face. In an effort to keep Tubs at bay, his contract is renegotiated to include a disclosure provision that Tubs is to be notified before any contact with a potential coach or search is made.
4) Tubs goes 13-0 and gets snubbed for 2004 BCS.
5) 2007 Saban shows up at Bama
6) Lowder and Co. are scared about Bama's hire and want Tubs out, allegedly because Tubs won't "actively" participate in Pay-for-Play schemes which Lowder and Co. feel is necessary to compete with Bama's new hire. YellaWood (Still BoT Member) contacts Huston Nutt (Sexton Client) about possible interest. Nutt Tells Sexton, who Tells Tubs, who Treatens Litigation for Breach of Search Notification Clause.
7) AU and Boosters shell out $Millions to Tubs as Settlement.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:39 pm to TutHillTiger
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Monty, when is Cecils FBI interview? I heard Thursday but niot sure this one or next, or if it has been moved.
Is this investigation that reason why the partison US attorney Canary been allowed to stay well past her welcome?
I don't know. I believe they are interviewing Rogers tomorrow. Cecil may not agree to talk to the FBI at all, although I would expect him to.
I doubt this has anything to do with Leura Canary remaining as US Attorney despite the bias allegations concerning Gov. Siegelman's prosecution (unrelated to Camgate before anyone asks
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:39 pm to blueTunaTiger
Part 2
CHAPTER 3 - Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) (source: Timeline - AJC Archives via Google)
1) April 1999. Budget Cuts orchestrated by Lowder as head of BoT Finance Chair eliminate the PhD. program in Economics, pissing off a large portion of the Faculty, including then Pres. William Muse. By Feb, 2001 (led behind the scenes by Lowder) Muse has had enough and takes another position with East Carolina.
2) March, 2001, Muse along with several Faculty and Dept Chairs, initiate a formal complaint to the SACS that BoT has severely infringed upon the authority of the University President, specifically the "Micromanagement" of Lowder in both Academics and the Athletic Dept. They specifically site the Termination/Resignation of TBowden.
3) SACS records 9 votes of no confidence and was in the process of initiating and investigation when AU sues the SACS for lack of due process.
4) In August, 2002 a Federal Judge appoints an independent examiner to look into allegations, as well as the financial ties between the various BoT members. Richard Bradley issues a report on December 13th, but the Judge, at the insistence of SACS, deems the report inadequate. So Bradley does another investigation, the results of which are curiously sealed by a separate court order, an order which remains intact still today.
5) SACS places AU on a one year probation, the most severe sanction possible without pulling the accreditation entirely. Although hampered by a Federal Judge's restrictions, they were still able to substantiate Micromanagement issues. Specifically, the business relationships bewteen Lowder's Bank, Atty Jack Miller (BoT member as well as lead Counsel for Colonial Bank) Jimmy Rane (BoT Member whose Lumber Company's primary commercial banking relationship is with Colonial Bank, Also owning Colonial Bank Stock worth over $2.4Million), would allow Lowder and his "Minority" vote could influence the "Majority". They also noted Lowder & Co.'s involvement in both the Dye Pay-For-Play and Bowden termination as Micromanagement.
CHAPTER 4 - Chizik (source: ESPN: editorial via Google with added supposition)
1) Rane makes contact with Houston Nutt in 2008 mid-season, violating the search notification clause in TTubs' Contract Renegotiation after JetGate.
2) Nutt tells Sexton (his Agent), which in turn tells Tubs who is also a Sexton Client. Tubs resigns, gets a huge settlement, leaving Au coachless.
3) Lowder and AU continue search, which ultimately leads to the hiring of Chizik, another Sexton client which with a 5-19 record would knowingly jump at any opportunity to enhance his resume. Chizik also was familiar with Lowder, Dye, and Co., as he previously acted as DC under Tubs, making him a perfect "puppet" for Lowder and crew to manipulate. Chizik's Recruiting Coordinator is TTaylor - need I say more, or do I really need to connect the dots on who suggested that hire? AU's recruiting class signings include the #1 player in La, Ms., Arky, Ala., as well as the #1 JUCO player.
I know this was long winded, but with all of this supposedly verified and substantiated, HOW IN THE HELL IS THIS GUY EVEN ALLOWED WITHIN 200 MILES OF AUBURN?
Lowder, Dye, and Co. are known to have been involved in Pay-To-Play schemes in the past. Lowder and BoT were sanctioned by SACS for Micromanagement issues, issues that still appear live and well on the Plains. My question is this, given all of the facts surrounding Lowder's "illegal" involvement with the Athletic Dept, his Micromanagement issues still in direct contradiction of the SACS sanctions, WTF? This is a state funded University. Are they clueless as to the ramifications of all this?
Move to 2009. Lowder loses his bank, together with McGregor, Rane, Dye and Others. Given his "total" control of what goes on at Auburn, Money Laundering through the University and it's various Foundations could have easily been manipulated.
Now move to this past Thursday-Saturday. I bet I could name with three guesses (the 1st two not counting) who the coaches and administration were that won the Play or Not Play Battle. My gut tell me Gus Malzahn was one of those voting "No." I bet he knows he won't be there next year.
The other thing that is mind boggling is the fact the NCAA never knocked on AU's door, investigating the Lack of Institutional control with respect to Lowder's continued meddling and micromanagement prior to CamGate.
When you look at everything that has taken place since Lowder and Co. have been in control, you can easily see why W&L went off like he did. All I can say is "WOW, just WOW!!"

CHAPTER 3 - Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) (source: Timeline - AJC Archives via Google)
1) April 1999. Budget Cuts orchestrated by Lowder as head of BoT Finance Chair eliminate the PhD. program in Economics, pissing off a large portion of the Faculty, including then Pres. William Muse. By Feb, 2001 (led behind the scenes by Lowder) Muse has had enough and takes another position with East Carolina.
2) March, 2001, Muse along with several Faculty and Dept Chairs, initiate a formal complaint to the SACS that BoT has severely infringed upon the authority of the University President, specifically the "Micromanagement" of Lowder in both Academics and the Athletic Dept. They specifically site the Termination/Resignation of TBowden.
3) SACS records 9 votes of no confidence and was in the process of initiating and investigation when AU sues the SACS for lack of due process.
4) In August, 2002 a Federal Judge appoints an independent examiner to look into allegations, as well as the financial ties between the various BoT members. Richard Bradley issues a report on December 13th, but the Judge, at the insistence of SACS, deems the report inadequate. So Bradley does another investigation, the results of which are curiously sealed by a separate court order, an order which remains intact still today.
5) SACS places AU on a one year probation, the most severe sanction possible without pulling the accreditation entirely. Although hampered by a Federal Judge's restrictions, they were still able to substantiate Micromanagement issues. Specifically, the business relationships bewteen Lowder's Bank, Atty Jack Miller (BoT member as well as lead Counsel for Colonial Bank) Jimmy Rane (BoT Member whose Lumber Company's primary commercial banking relationship is with Colonial Bank, Also owning Colonial Bank Stock worth over $2.4Million), would allow Lowder and his "Minority" vote could influence the "Majority". They also noted Lowder & Co.'s involvement in both the Dye Pay-For-Play and Bowden termination as Micromanagement.
CHAPTER 4 - Chizik (source: ESPN: editorial via Google with added supposition)
1) Rane makes contact with Houston Nutt in 2008 mid-season, violating the search notification clause in TTubs' Contract Renegotiation after JetGate.
2) Nutt tells Sexton (his Agent), which in turn tells Tubs who is also a Sexton Client. Tubs resigns, gets a huge settlement, leaving Au coachless.
3) Lowder and AU continue search, which ultimately leads to the hiring of Chizik, another Sexton client which with a 5-19 record would knowingly jump at any opportunity to enhance his resume. Chizik also was familiar with Lowder, Dye, and Co., as he previously acted as DC under Tubs, making him a perfect "puppet" for Lowder and crew to manipulate. Chizik's Recruiting Coordinator is TTaylor - need I say more, or do I really need to connect the dots on who suggested that hire? AU's recruiting class signings include the #1 player in La, Ms., Arky, Ala., as well as the #1 JUCO player.
I know this was long winded, but with all of this supposedly verified and substantiated, HOW IN THE HELL IS THIS GUY EVEN ALLOWED WITHIN 200 MILES OF AUBURN?
Lowder, Dye, and Co. are known to have been involved in Pay-To-Play schemes in the past. Lowder and BoT were sanctioned by SACS for Micromanagement issues, issues that still appear live and well on the Plains. My question is this, given all of the facts surrounding Lowder's "illegal" involvement with the Athletic Dept, his Micromanagement issues still in direct contradiction of the SACS sanctions, WTF? This is a state funded University. Are they clueless as to the ramifications of all this?
Move to 2009. Lowder loses his bank, together with McGregor, Rane, Dye and Others. Given his "total" control of what goes on at Auburn, Money Laundering through the University and it's various Foundations could have easily been manipulated.
Now move to this past Thursday-Saturday. I bet I could name with three guesses (the 1st two not counting) who the coaches and administration were that won the Play or Not Play Battle. My gut tell me Gus Malzahn was one of those voting "No." I bet he knows he won't be there next year.
The other thing that is mind boggling is the fact the NCAA never knocked on AU's door, investigating the Lack of Institutional control with respect to Lowder's continued meddling and micromanagement prior to CamGate.
When you look at everything that has taken place since Lowder and Co. have been in control, you can easily see why W&L went off like he did. All I can say is "WOW, just WOW!!"
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:44 pm to blueTunaTiger
I am saying that If Mullen talked to Cam after he committed to auburn, that he probably asked him about his dad shopping him around, etc. If he did ask him, then Cam had knowledge of what was going on and is definitely ineligible.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:55 pm to blueTunaTiger
I feel like so much truth has been dropped in this thread. I am overtaken with joy. If the shite is as real as some of these guys say, can we get Clemson or VT and not Tamu? haha
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:58 pm to GhostofJackson
This whole thread is a literary masterpiece. Im calling the Pulitzer Prize folks and alerting them on this!!!!

Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:02 pm to Bamamojo
Thanks, do you know who long the FBI had the wire tap out.
My god is they had a wire tap of the any major lobbying firms in Mississippi half the states political and business leaders would be in jail. In Louisiana about 80%. If they had 6 months or so on these guys you are about to have some serious changes in the power base of Alabama's political structure.
My god is they had a wire tap of the any major lobbying firms in Mississippi half the states political and business leaders would be in jail. In Louisiana about 80%. If they had 6 months or so on these guys you are about to have some serious changes in the power base of Alabama's political structure.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:07 pm to blueTunaTiger
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blueTunaTiger
I read every word of that (boring Monday Night game). If 50% of that is accurate, Auburn is worse of a shitty cesspool than I ever immagined. They deserve the SMU treatment. frick 'em.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:27 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Louisiana doesnt have a monopoly on political crruption lakeshore. It is just more public and flambouyant. (Money in freezer)
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:34 pm to glassman
oops sorry about the original having a typo. Enjoy your new cert.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:38 pm to blueTunaTiger
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blueTunaTiger
Have you ever seen or read the Pelican Brief?
I would lock your doors tonight...Dye is sending hired goons.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:39 pm to RollTideTA
I humbly accept this honor . . .

Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:42 pm to RollTideTA
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RollTideTA
That's Awesome, but it's Athletic Association not Atheletic Association.
Just trying to help.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:50 pm to BilJ
At least Wayne's board isn't all glum about this stuff...
Just a happy lil party over there.
Just a happy lil party over there.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:57 pm to Tiger Attorney
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Have you ever seen or read the Pelican Brief?
I would lock your doors tonight...Dye is sending hired goons.
Haha. Random rumor I heard from a friend at Ole Miss law school about that book: Supposedly an infamous constitutional law professor at Ole Miss threatened to sue John Grisham claiming that the Tulane con law professor in the book who is screwing Darby Shaw and dies in the car bomb was based after himself. Grisham was a student in his 1st year Con Law class at Ole Miss and supposedly hated his guts because of how strict and unabashedly confrontational he was. They say he killed Callahan in the book in such a violent way so as to get back at his old Con Law professor.
I always thought that was neat.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 11:02 pm to blueTunaTiger
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That's Awesome, but it's Athletic Association not Atheletic Association.
Just trying to help.
Damnit man... I always frick up some small detail
Fixed now! thanks
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