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re: The future of NCAA football
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:17 pm to Arksulli
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:17 pm to Arksulli
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Well a lot of what is "wrong" with college football is that it is getting pretty boring to be honest. At the beginning of the season you can write in Ohio State as the Big 10 champ. Clemson as the ACC champ. Oklahoma as the Big 12 champ. You can probably go ahead and write Bama down as the SEC champ (5 of the last 8). And no one cares who wins the PAC 12.
How thrilling it must be to be a fan of Michigan State and know that you are hoping for a once in a decade type season to unseat Ohio State. Or for Georgia Tech fans who can comfortably rest easy in the knowledge they won't be adding a championship banner in the coming year.
I don't know how we can restore parity to big time college football but I do know that if things don't change attendance is going to continue to decline, even after we get out from under this plague.
The thing that's changed most in the playoff era is recruiting. The same schools you mentioned have literally been too 3 in recruiting for 7 straight years.
Then you have your UGA, LSU, PSU, ND right behind.
USC, Texas, Miami, FSU, Nebraska - have taken such a hard dive.
More and more recruits want to just go to the same schools mentioned above and thus their classes are getting stronger and stronger. Throw the whole opt out and 3 yr done option if you aren't one of those schools you are fricked because your best players are gone and you have to start all over again.
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:25 pm to lsu777
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All that would be gone. It would be 70 max, 20 per class max. Period. Nothing else, nothing more. Max of 2 grad transfers that count against total, 6 in a 4 year period allowed.
Go back to regular signing day in Feb. Having 2 is stupid. Sounded like a good idea but it's turned into that it's just the signing day period. 1 signing day, and all kids enroll in June. No more early enrollment.
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Hasn't LSU had the last few recruiting classes finish the top 5? How did that workout for you this year. How many NCs has UGA won with all the top recruiting classes they have had.
Worked out in a national championships last year. Not gonna be the best every year even bama isn't. Uga just played for one a couple years ago and is consistently in the hunt.
It's not about the lsu and uga of the world. We benifit from the system as much as bama. It's about the ole miss, the Arkansas, the MSU, South Carolinas of the world.
It's about the Minnesota, the Indiana, the Iowa state, the Arizona schools, the Georgia techs, the sun belts etc.
That's what you don't get. LSU benefits just as much as bama, we are the only school besides bama with more than 2 championships since 2000, hell since the Nebraska teams of mid 90s.
Yet here I am advocating for change....why is that? Because the sport is I have loved since a kid is getting strangled by rule changes that I screamed against.
Well there is no going back now so you change the rules to benifit the most schools and make the product as a whole grow.
Stop with the Saban is perfect bull shite. Best ever, sure but he isn't a God and cutting down on the scholarships and spreading talent around more make it less likely he hits every time.
totally reject what you are saying. Why should the rules penalize a young man who wants to enroll in January in college. As for cutting scholarships, no way. 85 is perfect. I have no interest in making LA TECH, ULL, ULM better by cutting scholarships of LSU.
I am amazed the the people on these forums, not saying you, that scream of socialism in politics but now we want to control when 18 year olds decide to enter college.
Personally, the P5 should just break from the G5 with respect to Football. I pay for my season tickets to watch LSU and I donate to LSU, why should the revenues that LSU and the other SEC schools earn for football be allocated to schools like ULL, ULM, La. Tech, other G5 schools.
I have no desire to support the football programs at ULL, ULM, LA. Tech etc. Basketball is different in that it is an NCAA property and you only need 13 (use to be 15) scholarship players and the physical demands are not as great as football.
There is no way football schools in P5 are going to let the NCAA dictate how many scholarships, when kids can enroll, etc, nor should they. If it goes that way, the P5 should decouple themselves from the NCAA with respect to Football.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:30 pm to Beached Tusky
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Do any of these revisions address car dealerships or boosters? Corrupt officials?
LOL no they don’t.
Whatever you do, don’t look in the mirror trying to find the problem.
I will bite if you please take off your tinfoil hat and actually show some proof since as you said it is so obvious. And I do not mean a player driving a car that you can not so obvious prove any wrong doing.
Yes the sport has the few elite and the rest currently but because you support a program that has never sniffed the table of success please stop with your poor excuses as to why by pointing the finger elsewhere. If it was so easy to do as you say you know good and well your program would be doing it as well.
And if what you say is true than your program sucks on and off the field and that is still not other programs fault/ Sorry try again.
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:34 pm to Kk74
Expand the Regular Season!!! Add a mid-season inter-conference invitational tournament based on records in-season and poll rankings; to eliminate as many undefeated teams as possible and create real legit data points for the committee's analysis so they can pick the right 4 teams!
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:38 pm to Woodreaux
I don't mind play-off expansion but there has to be 1 at large play-in game for the Cincinatti's and Coastal Carolina's of the world. That would literally eliminate half the controversy with the small schools claiming national championships.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:39 pm to Kk74
They should have kept it like it was. Now they've ruined bowl games, ruined transfer rules, and ruined the very nature of the way football is played. We are witnessing the death of college football.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:45 pm to JKChesterton
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Personally, the P5 should just break from the G5 with respect to Football.
I honestly think that is what is going to happen on many fronts. I could see the P5 leave and maybe become a P6 creating a new conference out of the top G5 teams.
Have an 8 team playoff and some of the major bowls follow as well with them. Remember the NCAA has no authority of the bowls. Not sure how the TV contracts workout but this is big business and I doubt the NCAA has the resources to prevent it.
The P5 leagues could also setup their on rules dealing scholarship, recruiting, and the game. The current model the NCAA uses seems outdated and they have proven they have teeth to enforce. The only concern is how would they deal with other sports at the colleges in P5 programs.
Just create a league that governs itself with the authority to drop the hammer when necessary. If a P5 team does not want to follow, maybe do to academics, replace them with a G5.
In the end though with all the moving pieces tied to colleges I doubt all that could happen. To many players involved like state legislatures, governing bodies, TV contracts, NCAA, and in school requirements. But I think it will be the only way to see change and a a better product we now see outside of maybe 2 dozen teams tops.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:08 pm to TideWarrior
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Yes the sport has the few elite and the rest currently but because you support a program that has never sniffed the table of success please stop with your poor excuses as to why by pointing the finger elsewhere. If it was so easy to do as you say you know good and well your program would be doing it as well.
fricking typical and pathetic.
Arkansas won in the 60s and we paid a bunch of boys to come from TX to help us do it.
This isn’t about one program, it’s about the system that’s been designed to repeatedly enable a group of programs. The game has become a media circus and people have tired of it.
But if you don’t think it’s enabled Alabama you’re fricking naive. Get outside your bubble and look around.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:17 pm to Arksulli
Ga Tech fans aren’t resting comfortably. They bitch like fish wives. Apparently they can’t understand why good players don’t want to go to the N Avenue Trade School despite the water slides, gang signals and “juice” their gimmicky coach is dealing out. They are a totally miserable group - it’s too small to call it a crowd.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:54 pm to TideWarrior
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I honestly think that is what is going to happen on many fronts. I could see the P5 leave and maybe become a P6 creating a new conference out of the top G5 teams.
Have an 8 team playoff and some of the major bowls follow as well with them. Remember the NCAA has no authority of the bowls. Not sure how the TV contracts workout but this is big business and I doubt the NCAA has the resources to prevent it.
The P5 leagues could also setup their on rules dealing scholarship, recruiting, and the game. The current model the NCAA uses seems outdated and they have proven they have teeth to enforce. The only concern is how would they deal with other sports at the colleges in P5 programs.
Just create a league that governs itself with the authority to drop the hammer when necessary. If a P5 team does not want to follow, maybe do to academics, replace them with a G5.
In the end though with all the moving pieces tied to colleges I doubt all that could happen. To many players involved like state legislatures, governing bodies, TV contracts, NCAA, and in school requirements. But I think it will be the only way to see change and a a better product we now see outside of maybe 2 dozen teams tops.
The NCAA basketball Tournament is in essence a Revenue sharing model that helps all teams that play basketball. That is fine for Basketball. You only need 15 at most (13 is the number now) players to have a competitive team.
Football is a much more physically demanding sport. 85 hard cap is fine for scholarship players. An 8 team playoff from the P5 teams would more than enough to help create or restore interest in areas where it is declining.
But this spread the talent around by cutting scholarships is nonsense. If that happens, then I hope schools like LSU, Bama, UGA, UF, OU, Clemson, Ohio State, Texas, Auburn, Penn State, etc, tell the other P5 schools who are pushing for it to get lost.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 2:13 pm to JKChesterton
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But this spread the talent around by cutting scholarships is nonsense. If that happens, then I hope schools like LSU, Bama, UGA, UF, OU, Clemson, Ohio State, Texas, Auburn, Penn State, etc, tell the other P5 schools who are pushing for it to get lost.
In other words you’re for keeping the status quo.
Here is a member of the target market the media institution loves so much people.
A loyal fricking idiot... loyal to what he’s not really aware, and the why is probably fuzzy as well.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 2:33 pm to Big4SALTbro
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. A fluke loss won’t stop them.
A fluke loss generally doesn’t stop either Clemson or OSU from getting in as it is
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:33 pm to Beached Tusky
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In other words you’re for keeping the status quo.
Here is a member of the target market the media institution loves so much people.
A loyal fricking idiot... loyal to what he’s not really aware, and the why is probably fuzzy as well.
No I am not for keeping the status quo. I said in an earlier post I think the College playoffs should expand to 8 teams. All P5 Conference Champs get automatic spots in the 8. You can have 3 Wildcards.
If you want to Include the G5, you can give them a spot if they are undefeated Conference champs and have at least 2 wins vs. teams from a P5 league and are in the top 10 final Playoff poll, etc. If there are 2 teams that fit the description above, you can have them play a play-in game for the 8th spot 2 weeks after their Conference Championship games, which are normally first Saturday in December so 2 weeks later would put that game where this years SEC, ACC, BIG10 and PAC12 and BIG12 Title games were played.
And 8 team playoff with all 5 Conference Champs would solve the fan interest problem.
What I am against is cutting scholarships from 85.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:44 pm to JKChesterton
None of what you just typed addresses the root issues with college football parity or interest in any meaningful way.
Unless the playing field is leveled in a noticeable fashion the decline in interest will continue.
That’s reality, like it or not.
Less fans will bother attending games in person.
Unless the playing field is leveled in a noticeable fashion the decline in interest will continue.
That’s reality, like it or not.
Less fans will bother attending games in person.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:45 pm to Kk74
I think stopping alabama from buying players new Cadillac Escalades would be a good start to evening the playing field. 
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:23 pm to Kk74
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So what do you think happens next?
We keep kicking arse, that's what happens next.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 5:11 pm to Beached Tusky
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None of what you just typed addresses the root issues with college football parity or interest in any meaningful way.
Unless the playing field is leveled in a noticeable fashion the decline in interest will continue.
That’s reality, like it or not.
Less fans will bother attending games in person
So what do you mean to level the playing field? You want to limit scholarships so kids are forced to go to other schools. No I am not for that solution.
Part of the decline is rooted in the declining participation rates at HS levels, which has dropped some 10% in the last 15 or so years. So fewer kids playing means fewer siblings, parents, grandparents watching so fewer people have an attachment to the sport That is not going to change if you reduce scholarships.
You are just ticked off because Arkansas hasn't had a winning season since 2015. SO you want fans of other teams, in my case, LSU, to agree with cutting scholarships. I don't support that.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 5:12 pm to Kk74
College football is dead to me. All sports is dead to me
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
So if they went to 16, would they shorten the regular season or just tack the additional games to the end of the season?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:40 pm to Beached Tusky
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fricking typical and pathetic.
Says the fan whining about his theory on why his team can no longer compete.
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This isn’t about one program, it’s about the system that’s been designed to repeatedly enable a group of programs.
Whatever may be going on behind the scenes as you seem to think is every program could do it as well. Why get upset because your program has failed to buy in for you so called conspiracy theory.
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But if you don’t think it’s enabled Alabama you’re fricking naive. Get outside your bubble and look around.
Angry are we not. Yes I am naive to be believe Saban is the GOAT on and off the field. I am naive to believe that since the beginning of CFB there has always been the have and have nots. I am naive to believe it is all cyclical. Maybe you need to get outside your bubble and look around.
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