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re: The 4th down overturn for Bowers. Right call?

Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:47 pm to
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:47 pm to
That’s what I’m saying.
Posted by KellerChrystFan
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:47 pm to
Me too.
Posted by Deacon Reds
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:07 pm to
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This doesn't surprise me at all.


Posted by GADAWG2017
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:38 am to
Are you saying he wasn’t in bounds running the ball?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 4:00 am to
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. I have said from the beginning that I don't know whether his hand being down is of any consequence or not. We went airborne on his way out of bounds, does push off the ground with his hand make him not airborne for the short amount of time that the ball crosses the plane?????? And if so, does that change the ruling? can you go airborne, not airborne and airborne again on the same leap? But at least now we are discussing the part that is the crux of call.



I think so. His Left hand being in bounds on the ground was key. If his hand was not where it was, the call is not changed IMO.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 4:10 am
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 4:12 am to
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r it did lack what the rules state is necessary to overturn a play.


How so?

To reverse an on-field ruling, the replay official must be convinced beyond all doubt by indisputable video evidence through one or more video replays provided to the monitor.
Posted by Atlbear16
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 4:23 am to
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It’s spotted at the location the ball is at the point that the receiver steps out. And YES if he manages to tip toe up field without stepping out, the spot is where the ball is even if it’s out of bounds. You’re interpretation of this rule is wrong.


My interpretation is correct that when a player creates possession in the field of play and then goes towards sidelines.

There’s a reason why players stretch the ball out in the field of play before they go out of bounds all the time
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 4:24 am
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 4:42 am to
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There’s a reason why players stretch the ball out in the field of play before they go out of bounds all the time


Because it looks better to the ref in an attempt to emphasize getting the first?

Because they don’t understand the rules and confuse it with the end zone pylon?
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 4:52 am to
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Bowers didn't have both feet planted when he went out. That's the discussion.


What the frick are you talking about?
Posted by bgill0
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:02 am to
That isn't the exception, because he isn't airborne going out of bounds.
Posted by bgill0
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:03 am to
Again, not the exception I am referencing.
Posted by bgill0
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:06 am to
I didn't say the ball is dead. I said that is where his forward progress is stopped. He can still give up that forward progress.
Posted by bgill0
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:08 am to
How many times do we need to explain this is an exception for an airborne player that goes out of bounds.
Posted by bgill0
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:13 am to
Why do we keep bringing up false corollaries? The exception is for if a player is airborne or striding out of bounds. And, everyone seems to miss that I conceded that after thinking about the intent of the rule, the hand in bounds probably does negate the exception in this case. I still want to hear it from the NCAA, but I went from leaning that he was airborne to leaning that he isn't..
Posted by bgill0
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:20 am to
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I think so. His Left hand being in bounds on the ground was key. If his hand was not where it was, the call is not changed IMO.


I agree...
Posted by bgill0
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:21 am to
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quote:
r it did lack what the rules state is necessary to overturn a play.



How so?

To reverse an on-field ruling, the replay official must be convinced beyond all doubt by indisputable video evidence through one or more video replays provided to the monitor.


I was hung up on this early on.. But then I realized that is isn't overturning a call. It is just a re-spot. It doesn't have the same threshold to meet.
Posted by icheerforgeorgia
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:25 am to
Yep
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:57 pm to
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agree


Glad we figured it out. Now it’s time for Baylor, DBUCK, and Keller to come around to reality
Posted by KellerChrystFan
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:31 pm to
Dumbass
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:45 pm to
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Dumbass


Is this the best you can come up with?

The call was correct. You are wrong. Again.
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