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re: Thank You Mike Slive... The Texas Trainwreck.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:03 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:03 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
You don't get it so I won't explain it in huge detail. Roy took money away from TA and Mason as did Norm from Woody and Stull in terms of sharing. Norm nor Roy helped promote the other programs on campus. Norm could've returned MU to Warren Powers type success but did nothing to help in terms of building a war chest. He also allowed the KC STL alumni faction to split more. Castiglione was the one that brought them together and it's been united since.
But I guess you don't understand how shady both are and were.
But I guess you don't understand how shady both are and were.
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Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:05 pm to TSipper
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TSipper
Come on, whose alter are you? Been signed up since '04 and have under 100 posts? Not buying it
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:05 pm to TSipper
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For such a big and important athletic department, you sure came up short time and again when it mattered most.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:05 pm to TSipper
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You did start it all, you just couldn't seal the deal.
Except that Texas was in talks with the PAC in 2009. The Big 10 expansion was in 2010. Don't let the inconvenient facts get in the way of your revisionist history though.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:06 pm to TSipper
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This is the Nebraska timeline from the Omaha World Herald. If you want to quibble, feel free to quibble with them.
To the point about Texas and the Pac-10 and how it relates to Nebraska. Once Mizzou jumped on the Big 10 tip and word was leaking out about Nebraska and Mizzou, Larry Scott started engaging the Big 12 south about interest in moving. This should be obvious because everybody knows how important Nebraska is/was to the Big 12 and losing them to the Big 10 would be a massive blow to the conference itself.
“Longhorn-Husker politics aside, Perlman describes University of Texas President William Powers as a friend. And months earlier, when realignment talk was first heating up, they struck an agreement: Their first duty was to their own institutions, but to the degree they could share information, they would.
At some point, Perlman says, Powers had told him Texas and five other Big 12 schools were in serious discussions with the Pac-10 Conference. That story later would be leaked publicly midway through the Big 12 meetings. “
I don’t know how else to explain it, but this all started when Mizzou did a public panty drop like a sorority girl on Bourban Street.
This doesn't prove anything but that Missouri fired the first shot.
WHY did Missouri shoot?
Here's a novel concept that may help t.u. in the distant future, assuming things DON'T get so bad as such action would be too little too late:
DON'T shite ON YOUR PARTNERS' BRANDS!!! YOU NEED THEIR BRANDS JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED YOUR OWN!!!
Imagine how good things COULD have been for EVERYBODY if the sips didn't spend MOST of their waking hours over the last 50+ years trying to marginalize everybody within 300-mile radius of Austin, and ESPECIALLY the biggest "threat" 90 miles to the East.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:06 pm to TSipper
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TSipper
TSipper says Mizzou started everything in 2010.
R. Bowen Loftin says this:
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In the fall of 2009, we began to hear rumors about UT meeting and talking with the Pac-10.
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How did Mizzou start it in 2010 if Texas started it in 2009?
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:07 pm to cardboardboxer
That picture is a classic.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:07 pm to KaiserSoze99
What about the infamous meeting between Dodds and the Missouri AD basically "reminding Missouri what their place was"?
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:10 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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What about the infamous meeting between Dodds and the Missouri AD basically "reminding Missouri what their place was"?
Oh, yes, the "don't get in a pissing match with Texas son, you'll lose" comment. Classy guy, that Deloss Dodds.
Is there any wonder we bolted as soon as we could?
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:10 pm to sms151t
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You don't get it so I won't explain it in huge detail. Roy took money away from TA and Mason as did Norm from Woody and Stull in terms of sharing. Norm nor Roy helped promote the other programs on campus. Norm could've returned MU to Warren Powers type success but did nothing to help in terms of building a war chest. He also allowed the KC STL alumni faction to split more. Castiglione was the one that brought them together and it's been united since.
But I guess you don't understand how shady both are and were
From strange to stranger. Football budgets dwarf basketball ones and the last thing any football program worth its salt should worry about is what the hoops program is doing. Norm was forced out at MU by Alden/Bill Laurie that's well known, they wouldn't even put his name on the court at first afterewards. Building war chests and uniting alumni isn't the job of a basketball coach its to win basketball games. Both coaches did that in abundance. You are way out there on this. Very very strange.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:12 pm to sms151t
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Baylor has more clout than Tech and they're not going to be left behind. You're underestimating the Baylor money. Texas Tech if any would be the one to leave behind.
it's really not about clout in this day and age. It's about what's best for the state of Texas. Athletics is marketing to the schools. The state needs Tech to increase its profile. With the way the state is growing, another school has to fill the vacuum because A&M and UTx simply cannot increase enrollment at that pace. Right now, a large number of good high school students in the state that cannot get into either of the flagships due to the 8% rule are taking academic scholarships to Bama, UGA, and Auburn.
Baylor will never fill that void. Ever. So politically, they only matter to BU grads while anyone who wants to promote education in the state (which ffs should be every delegate though sadly it's not) should fight hard to not let Tech be left behind. It would be devastating to their brand and thus to the state of Texas long term.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:13 pm to semotruman
I think these threads are good for us periodically. Reminds Aggies and Tigers exactly why we left that horrid excuse for a conference and reaffirms the classic sip attitude to our current SEC family.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:13 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
No at MU in the 80's building the war chest was part of Norms job. Football support had nosedived apathy around the program was abound two horrible hires and a split between the fan base. MU wanted to compete in Big 8 but couldn't because the resources weren't there.
Norm Roy and Alford are a lot alike in terms of thinking the money should go to only one segment not split.
Norm Roy and Alford are a lot alike in terms of thinking the money should go to only one segment not split.
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:20 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Imagine how good things COULD have been for EVERYBODY if the sips didn't spend MOST of their waking hours over the last 50+ years trying to marginalize everybody within 300-mile radius of Austin, and ESPECIALLY the biggest "threat" 90 miles to the East.
But that doesn't work for them.
Sips were raised on DKR's method of stacking the deck. His trick to recruit every decent (white) player even if to just stick them on a bench created the psyche for that program:
They REFUSE to play on an even playing field. They DEMAND that their silverspoon advantages translate directly to the field in some way. That is why they are hesitant to play us now.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:25 pm to sms151t
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No at MU in the 80's building the war chest was part of Norms job. Football support had nosedived apathy around the program was abound two horrible hires and a split between the fan base. MU wanted to compete in Big 8 but couldn't because the resources weren't there.
So you blame Norm for not solving a problem that Babs Uheling, Prop 48, Ton Van Zant's knee and the failures of multiple Mizzou athletic directors and football coaches created? Seems like an awfully strange request to make of a basketball coach.
Now Steve Alford is in this too? Man this has gotten so weird.
Here's a simple truth for you: basketball coaches can *ask* their athletic department, or their school's boosters, for more money. They can't *make* anyone give it to them. I don't fault *any* basketball coach who wants his program to be as well-funded as possible. If the football team or any other sport wants funding they think is fair, then they should go lobby for it or win at such a high level on the field that the AD and boosters get convinced its a worthwhile investment. Kinda straightforward.
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:27 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I think these threads are good for us periodically. Reminds Aggies and Tigers exactly why we left that horrid excuse for a conference and reaffirms the classic sip attitude to our current SEC family.
Hell, I nominate this thread as Top 5 material for the year, especially to those following this thread that thought Texas would be a good SEC addition when expansion came around again.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:28 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:29 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I'm blaming Norm for not helping MU out and throwing the other programs under the bus. You know what I'm talking about. Norm was about norm not the whole. Norm had the profile to help but wouldn't. Norm was the biggest figure in the program and did nothing to help the department as a whole.
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I think these threads are good for us periodically. Reminds Aggies and Tigers exactly why we left that horrid excuse for a conference and reaffirms the classic sip attitude to our current SEC family.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:33 pm to sms151t
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You know what I'm talking about.
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