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re: Thank You Mike Slive... The Texas Trainwreck.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:37 pm to sms151t
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:37 pm to sms151t
Hmnn interesting take in things, seem the aTm side is clearer now but what about Missouri and arky? What was it that was the deciding factor, I don't follow the big 12 but even hear in sec country I heard Missouri was eying the Big 10. Them joining the sec was a pleasant surprise.
Also couple question on terminology II've seen toss around.
1.Sips?
2. Washington generals?
A couple of questions, how did they force Missouri to move big 8 headquarters from st. Louis to Dallas?
How did they even gain the power over eight other schools? Where they bribing those chancellors or Dean of the old big 8 school to vote their way or something?
Were aTm voting yes with every decision made by texas back in day? Form a texas block.
I hear atm bow tie man loftin said that moving to sec was a hundred year decision.
From an outsider view looking in it appeared that the state of texas have been splintered. Would there ever be a reunification of Texas if the long horns ever humble themselves?
Finally are they still pushing LhN on espn and abc you know the whole "call your cable provider" or have the LHN won and got what they wanted which money?
They poisoned a conference but did the rest of the remainder want to leave or are they perfectly content with operating under texas?
I just don't understand stand texas was able to dictate terms and conditions to the other big 8 schools, where there judases among the original eight?
Also couple question on terminology II've seen toss around.
1.Sips?
2. Washington generals?
A couple of questions, how did they force Missouri to move big 8 headquarters from st. Louis to Dallas?
How did they even gain the power over eight other schools? Where they bribing those chancellors or Dean of the old big 8 school to vote their way or something?
Were aTm voting yes with every decision made by texas back in day? Form a texas block.
I hear atm bow tie man loftin said that moving to sec was a hundred year decision.
From an outsider view looking in it appeared that the state of texas have been splintered. Would there ever be a reunification of Texas if the long horns ever humble themselves?
Finally are they still pushing LhN on espn and abc you know the whole "call your cable provider" or have the LHN won and got what they wanted which money?
They poisoned a conference but did the rest of the remainder want to leave or are they perfectly content with operating under texas?
I just don't understand stand texas was able to dictate terms and conditions to the other big 8 schools, where there judases among the original eight?
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Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:38 pm to TSipper
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Without the LHN, our desire to stay in the Big 12 becomes almost zero. The next round of conference expansion could see the death of the LHN and at that point, you could see Tech/Texas/OU/Ok State going to the Pac-12.
So you're saying the conference has no stability? Thanks for proving the point!!
And btw, who's gonna get okie and okie lite's grades/academics up there enough I make it in the PAC?
You're still not getting it!!
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:39 pm to hawgfaninc
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not sure if this has been pointed out yet
but if I had to guess, this is a poster from shaggy who decided to attempt trolling this thread.
It has been pretty clear that this is either a shaggy troll or a Rant alter from jump street
No matter, sometimes it's just fun to have a piñata to bat around.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:39 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Norm and Roy both wanted the basketball team to be bmoc and at times took from others to become that big. It is documented what Roy did at KU why do you think Mason left? The MU pride was basketball but Norm threw it and many others under the bus multiple times.
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:43 pm to hawgfaninc
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but if I had to guess, this is a poster from shaggy who decided to attempt trolling this thread. Then laugh about it later with the other dick wads at shaggy. this thread has already or will be posted there soon I'm sure.
I hope so. I openly challenge any Shaggy lurkers to come here and try to defend the LHN (with something other than the classic "big dicks swing aggy") or their conference realignment moves.
Bring it on I say.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:49 pm to TSipper
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Baylor would treat you like a prison bitch
A&M lost to Baylor 3 times in the last 30 years.
t.u. lost to Baylor 3 times in the last 4 years.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:49 pm to Duzz
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1.Sips?
Longhorns got to grow their program and get fat with Darrell Royal while A&M's primary function was to produce military officers. Basically, Aggies were off fighting wars while they stayed home, sipping tea. Thus, teasippers, which has evolved to teasips, t-sips, or just sips.
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2. Washington generals?
The Harlem Globetrotters almost ALWAYS play the Washington General--a shame team that is expected to lose. The show is about the Trotters comedy routine. People want to see their stunts, not a real competition. Sips (see above) thought that they could continue to be relevant nationally because they are so admired and adored by fans. They thought that lining up a bunch of straw men as opponents would perpetuate relevance.
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I hear atm bow tie man loftin said that moving to sec was a hundred year decision.
If you are familiar with the last 100 years, you would see why.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:50 pm to Duzz
Sips is what the Ags call UT
Washington Generals always lose to the Globetrotters
I thought the Big 8 was in KC and moved to Dallas after the NCAA moved to Indy and formation of Big XII. The transitional office was in StL, may be wrong on that.
Washington Generals always lose to the Globetrotters
I thought the Big 8 was in KC and moved to Dallas after the NCAA moved to Indy and formation of Big XII. The transitional office was in StL, may be wrong on that.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:50 pm to cardboardboxer
LINK
This is the Nebraska timeline from the Omaha World Herald. If you want to quibble, feel free to quibble with them.
To the point about Texas and the Pac-10 and how it relates to Nebraska. Once Mizzou jumped on the Big 10 tip and word was leaking out about Nebraska and Mizzou, Larry Scott started engaging the Big 12 south about interest in moving. This should be obvious because everybody knows how important Nebraska is/was to the Big 12 and losing them to the Big 10 would be a massive blow to the conference itself.
“Longhorn-Husker politics aside, Perlman describes University of Texas President William Powers as a friend. And months earlier, when realignment talk was first heating up, they struck an agreement: Their first duty was to their own institutions, but to the degree they could share information, they would.
At some point, Perlman says, Powers had told him Texas and five other Big 12 schools were in serious discussions with the Pac-10 Conference. That story later would be leaked publicly midway through the Big 12 meetings. “
I don’t know how else to explain it, but this all started when Mizzou did a public panty drop like a sorority girl on Bourban Street.
This is the Nebraska timeline from the Omaha World Herald. If you want to quibble, feel free to quibble with them.
To the point about Texas and the Pac-10 and how it relates to Nebraska. Once Mizzou jumped on the Big 10 tip and word was leaking out about Nebraska and Mizzou, Larry Scott started engaging the Big 12 south about interest in moving. This should be obvious because everybody knows how important Nebraska is/was to the Big 12 and losing them to the Big 10 would be a massive blow to the conference itself.
“Longhorn-Husker politics aside, Perlman describes University of Texas President William Powers as a friend. And months earlier, when realignment talk was first heating up, they struck an agreement: Their first duty was to their own institutions, but to the degree they could share information, they would.
At some point, Perlman says, Powers had told him Texas and five other Big 12 schools were in serious discussions with the Pac-10 Conference. That story later would be leaked publicly midway through the Big 12 meetings. “
I don’t know how else to explain it, but this all started when Mizzou did a public panty drop like a sorority girl on Bourban Street.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:53 pm to Duzz
Conference headquarters moved from Kansas City to Dallas because Dallas has more fortune 500 companies in it than any other city in America. When you’re looking for sponsorship deals, you want to get in the faces of the people with money, not those who don’t. It’s amazing to me that the SEC has stayed in Birmingham for so long when Atlanta is the much more important southern city.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:53 pm to TSipper
History according to TSipper:
Mizzou was the last of the 4 teams to leave the Big 12. Mizzou started it all.
Mizzou was the last of the 4 teams to leave the Big 12. Mizzou started it all.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:53 pm to cardboardboxer
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Bring it on I say.
sounds good to me
I'm always down for a longhorn beatdown
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:55 pm to TSipper
Not really but believe what you want.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:57 pm to Duzz
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Hmnn interesting take in things, seem the aTm side is clearer now but what about Missouri and arky? What was it that was the deciding factor, I don't follow the big 12 but even hear in sec country I heard Missouri was eying the Big 10. Them joining the sec was a pleasant surprise.
For Missouri, stability and fair play were the keys. Texas insistence on revenues being dependent on tv coverage, rather than equal sharing, showed they had no commitment to the conference. They didn't want a strong conference, they only cared about Texas. I think Mizzou began to feel it was being held back, and no schools in that cesspool trusted each other. When it was discovered that Texas was planing to take its toys to the PAC, there was a lot of speculation Mizzou would be one of the "forgotten five" with the kansas schools, ISU and one of the others. We didn't want to wait around for that to happen.
So, that was the reason for the interest in the B1G. When that deal turned out to be an up front financial hit that we would have a hard time handling, we backed off and Nebraska took it.
When the SEC became a possibility, I think everyone jumped at it. Especially the fans, who started a grass roots campaign of emails, calls and letters. Texas is so butt-hurt over Missouri leaving because they thought we'd back down and let them have their way. Again. We did our best to get along for as long as we could. The instability, the LHN, the arrogance - it all just got to be too much and we bolted. Best thing we ever did. The worst was ever letting Texas in in the first place.
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:58 pm to TSipper
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TSipper
u sho is mad
I shall name thee 'TSipper the great white knight of t.u'. wear your title proudly
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:58 pm to MIZ_STL
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History according to TSipper:
Mizzou was the last of the 4 teams to leave the Big 12. Mizzou started it all.
You did start it all, you just couldn't seal the deal. But then again, that's been the story of Missouri athletics for its history, right?
How many conference titles did Missouri win during its stay in the Big 12? For such a big and important athletic department, you sure came up short time and again when it mattered most.
Raise the black flag indeed.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:58 pm to sms151t
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Norm and Roy both wanted the basketball team to be bmoc and at times took from others to become that big. It is documented what Roy did at KU why do you think Mason left? The MU pride was basketball but Norm threw it and many others under the bus multiple times.
This is one of the strangest posts I've ever seen. The Rant being what it is, that's saying something.
OK let's start with Roy. Roy "wanted the basketball team to be bmoc." Aside from the fact I'm sure any b-ball coach would like that, you are really smoking crack if you don't think the basketball team was already bmoc at ku from at least Phog Allen onward and probably James Naismith onward. He "at times took from others to become that big"....huh? He took from...the glory of ku football in the 80s and 90s? Eh?
Norm threw Mizzou basketball pride under the bus...by becoming its all time winningest coach and winning conference titles and going to more NCAA tourneys than ever before? Eh?
Strange, strange, strange post. Its strangeness trumps its stupidity.
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:00 pm to Duzz
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How did they even gain the power over eight other schools? Where they bribing those chancellors or Dean of the old big 8 school to vote their way or something?
The Oklahoma schools aligned with Texas early on.
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Were aTm voting yes with every decision made by texas back in day? Form a texas block.
Yes, we did unfortunately vote with them on things like unequal revenue sharing. Our leaders have openly regretted many of these former votes.
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Would there ever be a reunification of Texas if the long horns ever humble themselves?
Some sips are holding out hope for that. I have seen a few argue to not play us so that "aggy will want to come back into a conference with us during the next big realignment" (I kid you not).
They will never humble themselves, so it is not even worth entertaining the thought.
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Finally are they still pushing LhN on espn and abc you know the whole "call your cable provider" or have the LHN won and got what they wanted which money?
It is still being pushed, even though the big Austin provider (Time Warner) recently gave in. Going forward ESPN and Texas are banking on the LHN riding the SEC Network's coattails in a packaged deal.
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did the rest of the remainder want to leave or are they perfectly content with operating under texas?
Every program that had a better option to leave did.
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where there judases among the original eight?
OU went from being Nebraska's big rival to being Texas's big rival overnight. They were the other big power program of the Big 8.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:02 pm to TSipper
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You did start it all, you just couldn't seal the deal.
Show me. I'm from the Show Me State. Show me actual tangible evidence and quotes by our university or athletic department proving we "started it all" and were going to leave before anyone else. Not quotes from our governor about what he thinks, as that had zero to do with what Mizzou itself was or wasn't doing. Show me anything at all proving what you say. Show me.
Spoiler alert: you can't do it.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:02 pm to TSipper
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How many conference titles did Missouri win during its stay in the Big 12? For such a big and important athletic department, you sure came up short time and again when it mattered most.
During its final year in the Big 12, Missouri won both the basketball tournament and the baseball tournament. The latter ensured that the gay cows missed the NCAA baseball tournament for the first time in 50(?) years.
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