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re: Texas offense Red Zone ranking - the Melt of MtVernon

Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:35 pm to
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:35 pm to
This is exactly what I keep telling people about Sark. There is a reason why he was 7 win Sark back in the day.

His offenses actually suck. They are in the backfield way too much and it's prime for negative plays. Negative plays kill drives. Sark offenses rely heavily on explosive plays to score TDs.

And when you get to the goalline, the chances for those negative plays increases because the defense only has a small amount of ground to defend. And at the same time, the ability to have an explosive play is basically gone for the same reason, there is no room to get behind defenses etc.

You can get by well against lower competition where you can physically dominate at the LoS. But when you get up against a good defense, this is what happens.

If you've got a really stacked team that can pull out those explosive plays left and right, it seems great. AKA, Alabama 2020. But that's not common.

I don't know why people are shocked, I've been saying it for years only to get called butthurt, and idiot etc. I cringe when people claim they like him better than Kiffin as an OC. How can they be serious?
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
58128 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:47 pm to
They are meaningless to celebrate a loss in them like your fanbase does

Getting your butt kicked in a game that would’ve let you play in a game that would’ve had meaning if you would’ve won it

That’s meaningless

But keep celebrating your back to back semifinal participation losses

Your fans have always done this sort of thing, it makes no sense to me

Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1308 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:57 pm to
I also don't like Sark's offense but I get it. We've lived through abysmal coaching since '09.
It should be clear Sark is good but not great. Take freeman. Took a less talented team and beat Ga. Something sark can't do. I have a feeling the next 5 or so years are going to be mostly "good but not good enough". Just like this season.
Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see.
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
5309 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:05 pm to
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Take freeman. Took a less talented team and beat Ga.


It's almost like prepping a game plan for a week and a half for a backup QB can change games. Or maybe it's because ND had a kick return touchdown and recovered a fumble (UGA recovered 3 of their own against Texas). Or just maybe, they had a healthy OL and RB.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1308 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:14 pm to
more excuses. We've had plenty of them this season.
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
5309 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:15 pm to
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more excuses. We've had plenty of them this season.


You're comparing apples to oranges. Their not the same.

Then again, you're the guy that kept claiming Texas was going to lose every game.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 1:16 pm
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1308 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:18 pm to
every game? damn.

I was right about georgia twice and osu. Was wrong about aggie. Thought we'd lose that one.
Yeah I can more negative than most. No argument there. Doesn't mean some of my points aren't valid.

End of the day it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks. Sark is going nowhere. Next few years will determine which of us is right. Until then just pissing in the wind.
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
5309 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:26 pm to
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Was wrong about aggie.

And ASU.

You also kept blaming games on Quinn when it was the lack of a running game.
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Doesn't mean some of my points aren't valid.


Correct, we should have beat Georgia but that doesn't mean circumstances are the same. ND beat Georgia because of 2 plays.

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Next few years will determine which of us is right. Until then just pissing in the wind.


Agreed. Personally I think just like Harbaugh, Day and Kirby, when you stack talent every year and keep making deep runs eventually you'll punch through. I expect it to be within the next year or 2.

Fortunately we get Baxter back next season, the guy Saban said at SEC media days will be the best running back in the SEC. Secondary will take a small step back next year but DL, edge and LB's are all going to be improved. The main concern is replacing 3-4 offensive linemen.
Posted by GentlemensAgreement
HTX
Member since Jul 2021
55 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:28 pm to
Not celebrating.

Maybe you have to experience it to understand it.
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1308 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:29 pm to
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Fortunately we get Baxter back next season, the guy Saban said at SEC media days will be the best running back in the SEC. Secondary will take a small step back next year but DL, edge and LB's are all going to be improved. The main concern is replacing 3-4 offensive linemen.


You may find this hard to believe but, on this one, I'd love to be wrong and you right. It's just discouraging to see the exact same issues with our offense this year vs last.
You're right about quinn. For a long time I blamed it on him vs the guy coaching him. I was wrong. It was sark's job to fix whatever the frick has been wrong with him upstairs. He didn't. If we still struggle offensively next season it'll be clear where the problem lies.
but like I said, I'd love to be wrong on this one. I'm just pissed right now about that 2nd down goal line play like a lot of us are. 1 fricking yard to tie the game. ONE. You'd think an offensive genius could dial up something better but perhaps it's just not our year. Maybe one day.
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1308 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:33 pm to
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Not celebrating.

Maybe you have to experience it to understand it.


This. Ags should probably exit the thread. They have no idea what's it's like to get that close and fail.
Posted by Buster83
Member since Aug 2021
4704 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:49 pm to
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Ags should probably exit the thread. They have no idea what's it's like to get that close and fail.


A&M did play for the national championship in baseball 7 months ago. Not sure your statement is worth the effort it took to type it.

Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1308 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:50 pm to
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A&M did play for the national championship in baseball 7 months ago. Not sure your statement is worth the effort it took to type it.


Your homosexual tendencies notwithstanding we're talking about football here. Try to keep up.
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
5309 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:52 pm to
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A&M did play for the national championship in baseball 7 months ago. Not sure your statement is worth the effort it took to type it.


Who could forget. A&M's most successful sporting season in almost a century, and in the despair of losing the national championship Texas comes in and takes your coach.
Posted by Buster83
Member since Aug 2021
4704 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:02 pm to
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Texas comes in and takes your coach.


You can have him. You may have noticed that there were not any players crying about his departure. After the way A&M has dominated dildoU in baseball the last few years, not surprising that you needed a coaching change. I doubt that is going to fix your problems but who knows.

Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
7041 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:03 pm to
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For years texas players underachieved versus Oklahoma players.


For years, Stoops had a stronger 22 than Texas had. I don't see a mystery here.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
8603 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:04 pm to
Not going to happen. Take your L and quit lashing out at others.

Horns ran their mouths way too much leading up to the game. Only to completely shite the bed when it mattered. Again.

The game shouldn’t have been that close. Then you had first and goal, down a TD. What happened next was Pathetic, and you should just own it instead of acting superior.

Horns should just STFU in general until you win hardware.

It’s Basketball season now, and we already saw what you have there...

But feel free to go crazy in the next thread about swimming and diving.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
7041 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:06 pm to
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I'm simply saying of course our offense took a step back this year..


"Of course"? No way man, we can't go around thinking that way. Ewers came back - should have been no drop off at minimum. We got worse on offense.

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Sark just needs to learn how to win


Typically, you don't learn this while you're knocking down millions at Texas. You've already learned it - one would think..
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1308 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:09 pm to
[quote]Not going to happen. Take your L and quit lashing out at others.

Horns ran their mouths way too much leading up to the game. Only to completely shite the bed when it mattered. Again."

That schloss thing still stings don't it?
Posted by TexasWranglers
Member since Sep 2024
564 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:11 pm to
I 100% agree with both of you above we do better in the red zone and we are possibly back to back champs.

However, to say Sark isnt a great coach is silly when you look at one metric, you have to take the good with the bad. No coach is perfect but Sark is without a doubt a great coach given what he has done at Texas the last 2 years.
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