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re: Texas A&M - 2012 Offense
Posted on 3/5/13 at 8:24 pm to Tennessee Jed
Posted on 3/5/13 at 8:24 pm to Tennessee Jed
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The SEC is in for a rude awakening. Big 12 Style.
no better than 3rd in the West
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Posted on 3/5/13 at 8:33 pm to Jobu93
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What was Alabama's average rushing per game? Was it higher or lower against A&M? Was it even worth mentioning or just a few yards difference?
Average: 219.2
Lower than A&M but A&M also got the majority of their yards through Manziel running not a RB like Alabama.
247.7 to 219.2
Posted on 3/5/13 at 8:56 pm to adammwilson
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Lower than A&M but A&M also got the majority of their yards through Manziel running not a RB like Alabama.
I'm not disagreeing....A bunch of A&M's rushing yards can be attributed to an opportunistic QB.
So if they're not really "rushing yards" what are they?
How 'bout Yards Instead of Pass YIP
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:50 pm to Tennessee Jed
aTm fans must be taking delusional lessons from Arkansas.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:51 pm to Whens lunch
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So if they're not really "rushing yards" what are they?
The point is yards gained because Manziel ran away on a pass play doesn't help your rushing numbers when discussing who had the better OL.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:56 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Why are people even discussing this? Everyone knows Bama had a better offensive line this year. There's nothing to argue about.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:13 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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The point is yards gained because Manziel ran away on a pass play doesn't help your rushing numbers when discussing who had the better OL.
....and again, I'm not disagreeing. While some of Manzeil's rushing yards were by design, a lot of them were not. They were passing plays that either broke down, or the defense left running lanes that could not be ignored. They inflated A&M's rushing yards.
When judging an OL in a power run game, it's easy to tell whether or not they are "good ". A&M's offense didn't feature this kind of running game. They were generally successful when they needed to run, but the defenses were typically not expecting A&M to try to run it down their throats like they would Bama. They eventually had to respect the pass.
I don't know how good last years OL really was in the traditional running game. Hell, they were in a 2 point stance all season.
Interestingly, I'm also not so sure how good the Ag's OL was against the pass. Defenses were forced to pull in the reins on the pass rush and concentrate on containment. Still a challenge for the OL however, especially when they didn't know what JM was gonna do next.
Same A&M OL.... different, less mobile QB and they may not have looked so good against the pass.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 3/6/13 at 12:57 am to Dr RC
Of course there's blame to go around.
I'm simply pointing to one unit of the team that specifically and directly left points on the field.
Not saying he's the only reason we lost. But his leg did leave 7 points on the field.
And even if I were blaming him and him only, it's not that unfair when the kid hit less than 60% on the year. He had a propensity to miss FGs. That catches up to a team eventually. Evans didn't habitually drop passes, Luke never committed chop blocks, and the WR/Johnny chemistry was on point all year. Those events were outliers--Bertolet's contributions to the loss were not.
I'm simply pointing to one unit of the team that specifically and directly left points on the field.
Not saying he's the only reason we lost. But his leg did leave 7 points on the field.
And even if I were blaming him and him only, it's not that unfair when the kid hit less than 60% on the year. He had a propensity to miss FGs. That catches up to a team eventually. Evans didn't habitually drop passes, Luke never committed chop blocks, and the WR/Johnny chemistry was on point all year. Those events were outliers--Bertolet's contributions to the loss were not.
This post was edited on 3/6/13 at 1:08 am
Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:15 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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The point is yards gained because Manziel ran away on a pass play doesn't help your rushing numbers when discussing who had the better OL.
Absolutely it does. A lesser offensive line, and he doesn't have time to pass or run... just because it isn't conventional and Alabama can't compare doesn't mean it wasn't a function of having the most talented offensive line in all of football.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:19 am to thefloydian
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Why are people even discussing this? Everyone knows Bama had a better offensive line this year. There's nothing to argue about.
I can't believe gumps are arguing. If Jake Matthews went in the draft, we would have two offensive linemen drafted ahead of your best. I don't get how this is debatable. Easily the best tackle duo in the entire country, and easily the best offensive line. I have no idea how delusional gump homerism is, but there has to be at least one of you that realizes the truth. I never saw a game where A&M's offensive line got worked over the way Alabama's was by Spencer Nealy.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 9:34 am to TeLeFaWx
Lol Nealy owned Barrett-Christ-I'm-overrated-Jones.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 9:36 am to thefloydian
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Why are people even discussing this? Everyone knows Bama had a better offensive line this year. There's nothing to argue about.
Spencer Nealy > Bama OL
Posted on 3/6/13 at 8:40 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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The point is yards gained because Manziel ran away on a pass play doesn't help your rushing numbers when discussing who had the better OL.
if you are going to play it that way you need to go back and see which runs were scrambles and which were designed runs.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 8:43 pm to DWag215
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Those events were outliers--Bertolet's contributions to the loss were not.
it doesnt change that they all happened and many of those plays had a much bigger impact than the missed FGs.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 9:19 pm to TeLeFaWx
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we would have two offensive linemen drafted ahead of your best.
Considering Both are capable of playing LT of course they would go first.
Alabama has a RT only guy and 2 OG's.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:48 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Will the 2012 A&M offense be the best SEC offense this year, best of the last ten years, or best SEC offense of all time.
The combination of Sumlin, Ryan Swope, their 5* runningbacks, Offensive Line, and all world quarterback, have me terrified.
The SEC is in for a rude awakening. Big 12 Style.
Is Tennessee Jed some sort of wizard?
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:51 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Is Tennessee Jed some sort of wizard?
I believe the term is Idiot Savant.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:52 pm to ctiger69
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New coach.
New quarterback.
New offensive schemes.
Means Texas A&M's offense will be in the middle of the pack in the SEC.
Throw in a bad defense and Texas A&M will have a long year.
ctiger69 is not a wizard.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:53 pm to lowspark12
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I believe the term is Idiot Savant.
Haha.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:55 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Bottom line? A&M has an offensive line better than Bama's, a receiving corps better than Tennessee's, running backs better than South Carolina, can sack the QB more often than LSU, and a signal caller better than whatever Arkansas has.
Be scared.
Looks like I was proven right on all points. My God, I'm good at this.
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