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re: Texas A&M - 2012 Offense
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:20 pm to Tennessee Jed
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:20 pm to Tennessee Jed
Case Keenum is not walking through that door.
So the answer is no.
So the answer is no.
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Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:21 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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There is nothing that says we're going to run the same offense they ran at UH. Our roster is built much differently than theirs
Better hope so. Some new coaches try to run their bread and butter offenses even if they don't have the right personnel yet.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:23 pm to Latarian
Ever think that Sumlin's making the QB and not the other way around?
It's likely a little of both, but more Sumlin IMO.
It's likely a little of both, but more Sumlin IMO.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:31 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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There is nothing that says we're going to run the same offense they ran at UH. Our roster is built much differently than theirs
Except we are running the exact same offense.
- When they bring in QB recruits they show them Houston film.
- Kliff Kingsbury's playbook is the same it was at Houston.
Maybe at some point they integrate more running plays than they did at Houston, but it is a hurry up offense that is predicated on quick pass plays. There is nothing that says we're going to run anything different than they did at Houston.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:37 pm to ctiger69
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Better hope so. Some new coaches try to run their bread and butter offenses even if they don't have the right personnel yet.
Mike Sherman ran a West Coast offense. At the spring game, the QBs took exactly one snap from under center. They will run their bread and butter air raid offense they ran at Houston. They don't have an option. I don't know why anyone would think different. Sherman ran 3, 5, and 7 foot drops using west coast progressions. It is a completely different philosophy. Why would you try and merge two offense philosphies? You put the personell out there to run the plays you want without having to sub. That means you're going to have 4 and 5 receiver sets 85% of the time.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:40 pm to TeLeFaWx
They had the #1 offense in the nation at UH. What do you want them to show recruits.
Again, Kliff and CKS have said they will tailor their offense to our players and not the other way around.
As explained earlier, don't read too much into the spring. They have proven commodities at OL and RB and were trying to evaluate QBs. That's why we passed so much.
Why are you being so stubborn about this? And last year UH rand the ball nearly 40% of the time with a Sr in Keenum. In 2010 when Keenum was injured UH ran the ball 47% of the time and that's without the OL and RBs that A&M has. I fully expect us to run the ball 45% of the time. It'll just look different coming out of the shotgun or pistol and with the OL having wider than traditional splits
Again, Kliff and CKS have said they will tailor their offense to our players and not the other way around.
As explained earlier, don't read too much into the spring. They have proven commodities at OL and RB and were trying to evaluate QBs. That's why we passed so much.
Why are you being so stubborn about this? And last year UH rand the ball nearly 40% of the time with a Sr in Keenum. In 2010 when Keenum was injured UH ran the ball 47% of the time and that's without the OL and RBs that A&M has. I fully expect us to run the ball 45% of the time. It'll just look different coming out of the shotgun or pistol and with the OL having wider than traditional splits
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:07 pm to Big Kat
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They had the #1 offense in the nation at UH.
Against crappy teams. In those years(09 and 11), A&M also had top 10 offenses, and did it running the ball far more, which I personally find more impressive. I mean people aren't falling all over themselves to get Nevada's playbook when they were the number 2 offense in the country.
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What do you want them to show recruits.
I'm not saying they shouldn't show them that, but that is a reason to believe they are going to run the exact same thing. It is what has worked for them.
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Again, Kliff and CKS have said they will tailor their offense to our players and not the other way around.
No they haven't. I've talked to Kliff. He always gets really defensive about the Penn State game, and he jumps to the same stock line, "They had the number one rush defense in the country, and I had the college football's leading passer, what did you expect me to do? I don't play to others strengths."
What there makes you think they are going to treat SEC teams like they are going to line it up and run it down their throats? Kliff has said that our strengths are running back in offensive line, but that doesn't mean he is going to "tailor" anything. He might call more run plays here and there, and exploit more vertical routes if he thinks we have a height advantage, but that has nothing to do with changing his system. The system will be unchanged. There might be slightly less audibles out of run plays if you have enough confidence, but it will be negligible.
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As explained earlier, don't read too much into the spring. They have proven commodities at OL and RB and were trying to evaluate QBs. That's why we passed so much.
I agree. But when you aren't a run first offense, just practicing passing doesn't mean you are keeping anything a secret.
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Why are you being so stubborn about this? And last year UH rand the ball nearly 40% of the time with a Sr in Keenum. In 2010 when Keenum was injured UH ran the ball 47% of the time and that's without the OL and RBs that A&M has. I fully expect us to run the ball 45% of the time. It'll just look different coming out of the shotgun or pistol and with the OL having wider than traditional splits
Being stubborn about what? Mike Leach didn't pass it in the SEC. Why is it stubborn to think that they aren't going to run the ball?
So 2010 when they went 5-7 and their 3rd string QB played the whole year, they ran the ball more? Cool.
I don't think I'm stubborn about anything, I think you are. Why do you want to believe that Kliff has somehow found this perfect balance of the air raid offense tailor made for the SEC. It is naive. It is what you want to believe. The air raid system runs the ball when the defense opens itself up to it, and is audible in to 85% of the time. Do you think the defensive backs in the SEC are going to be so scared of our offense that they are going to be running out cover 3 and cover 4 sets? Because that's when you run the ball. And the biggest detriment to the air raid is the red zone. When you can't spread the field, your wide splits are stupid, you don't have a lead blocker, and big defensive lineman cause havoc.
You expect us to run the ball 45% of the time? Why? You can't line up and dictate running the ball in this offense, that isn't how it works. The only time Houston got anywhere near throwing that few times are blow out games. What you should look at are games like Houston vs Penn State. What happens when this offense faces defenses that can stop the run(like the SEC)? 69 passing attempts. 16 rushing attempts. That's running the ball 18% of the time. Do I think it will be that low? Absolutely not, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest it would be 45%.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:09 pm to Big Kat
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As explained earlier, don't read too much into the spring. They have proven commodities at OL and RB and were trying to evaluate QBs. That's why we passed so much
I'd also heard them both say that the passing schemes are much more complicated than the running schemes and harder to implement, thus we ran a lot more of the passing in the spring to work on installing them. Kingsbury watches a ton of film on Oklahoma State as well, which ran the ball quite a bit last year.
Until we play a couple games nobody knows what our offense will look like, which gives us an advantage IMO. People want to be stubborn though and believe we'll be throwing the ball 65 times a game, which is fine.
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They had the #1 offense in the nation at UH. What do you want them to show recruits.
Showing clips of Case Keenum throwing a 60 yard bomb to Patrick Edwards is a pretty good way to sell a QB or WR on A&M and the coaching staff. That doesn't mean we'll run the same offense, it's called good recruiting.
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:11 pm to TeLeFaWx
I didn't read all of this but...
Actually they are. Nevada started the pistol and diamond way back when and now almost everyone has that in their playbook and many teams (very good ones I might add) feature it as a primary formation.
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I mean people aren't falling all over themselves to get Nevada's playbook when they were the number 2 offense in the country.
Actually they are. Nevada started the pistol and diamond way back when and now almost everyone has that in their playbook and many teams (very good ones I might add) feature it as a primary formation.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:43 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Will the 2012 A&M offense be the best SEC offense this year, best of the last ten years, or best SEC offense of all time.
The combination of Sumlin, Ryan Swope, their 5* runningbacks, Offensive Line, and all world quarterback, have me terrified.
The SEC is in for a rude awakening. Big 12 Style.
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 8:00 pm to Big Kat
The only Sumlin I like a lot is Hubert Sumlin, the guitarist for Howling Wolf Band...which I had the utmost good fortune to see in NYC in 1968. Howling Wolf thumb was bigger around than my wrist....wearing overalls and a white plain tee shirt. You had to be careful around glass when he sang cause his voice could crack them with that heavy bass.
Anyway...back to 2012...love to see the pretenders from Tex A&M cranking their yanks and think they have something we should be weary about. Man....the SEC will beat you guys down. I hope Sumlin wants to implement that crazy Univ of Houston offense and throw 65 times...cause we aint Conf USA and we aint UTEP or Rice. Take that crap back west. After he is on his third qb he may start to realize he better be recruiting a lot of defense to stand a chance.
Anyway...back to 2012...love to see the pretenders from Tex A&M cranking their yanks and think they have something we should be weary about. Man....the SEC will beat you guys down. I hope Sumlin wants to implement that crazy Univ of Houston offense and throw 65 times...cause we aint Conf USA and we aint UTEP or Rice. Take that crap back west. After he is on his third qb he may start to realize he better be recruiting a lot of defense to stand a chance.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 8:45 pm to reel_gator8
Reel gator forgot about Fun n Gun 
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:34 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Will the 2012 A&M offense be the best SEC offense this year, best of the last ten years, or best SEC offense of all time.
The combination of Sumlin, Ryan Swope, their 5* runningbacks, Offensive Line, and all world quarterback, have me terrified.
The SEC is in for a rude awakening. Big 12 Style.
As someone who is experienced in the art of trolling on other forums (not this one), I can assure you that you are doing your trolling all wrong. Here are a few pointers.
1) You need to avoid common or outrageous topics that everyone uses to troll and focus more on something that can be measured. You also need to make some claim that is only marginally wrong or controversial. It is wise to pick something that is somewhat realistic while still unlikely.
e.g Texas A&M will surprise many this year.
2) Be specific and not too ridiculous. Don't simply state that your team/your rivals team will be a world beater/be hopeless. Give something specific that others will be able to fight for or against that is within reason. Ridiculous posts will immediately be shot down while those with facts will get many more bites.
e.g Texas A&M will surprise many this year and finish in 4th place above Auburn in the SEC West.
3) Explain why you believe this using "facts." These facts do not need to be overly relevant as that is not the point. The point is to get as many bites as you can while seeming to be legitimate. Outdated or out of scope facts are excellent for trolling because they make you seem like you know what you are talking about even though you are not making a good point. Feel free to use personal experience and embellishment in this area because anecdotal evidence is a staple in proper trolling. Do not be afraid to call out for help from those who may be as biased as yourself.
e.g. Texas A&M will surprise many this year and finish in 4th place above Auburn in the SEC West. I watched us nearly beat a very good Arkansas team that demolished Auburn last season in a game that was not as close as the score indicated. With what we are returning especially on the O-line, I cannot see too much of a drop off in performance this upcoming year, and I know the Aggie faithful will agree.
4)Try to preemptively counter arguments against your troll suggestion. If you can expect a certain response, simply acknowledge it in your original post and then respond with a biased explanation (preferably a personal anecdote) as to why it's wrong. Also, if it is possible, like your own post as this may trick the incredibly dumb to feel like someone should give your argument credence.
e.g. I know that many of you are saying that we lost our first round quarterback, but he was very unpolished anyway. I went to the Spring game this year and watched our QB play. He has a rocket for an arm and can thread a needle. Auburn is very unsure of who their QB will be.
So the final product reads:
Texas A&M will surprise many this year and finish in 4th place above Auburn in the SEC West. I watched us nearly beat a very good Arkansas team that demolished Auburn last season in a game that was not as close as the score indicated. With what we are returning especially on the O-line, I cannot see too much of a drop off in performance this upcoming year, and I know the Aggie faithful will agree.
I know that many of you are saying that we lost our first round quarterback, but he was very unpolished anyway. I went to the Spring game this year and watched our QB play. He has a rocket for an arm and can thread a needle. Auburn is very unsure of who their QB will be.
5)Defend your troll in the comments below.People must understand that you are trying to be sincere even if you are very wrong. Feel free to deflect or ignore parts of a question if exposing your troll is possible. If others decide to defend your point for you, do not get involved and watch what you have created.
e.g. Auburn fan: Your team finished 6-6 last season and lost your excellent quarterback who undoubtedly was a leader on the team.
A&M fan: I understand that you believe Tannehill was excellent, but I would like to refer you to my thoughts in my original post. He was an unfinished product, and the guy we have now can read coverage schemes much better and has an arm that can make all the throws on the field.He also allows us to run the more effective offense that our coach ran at the University of Houston.
Good luck, have fun.
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 12:28 am
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:05 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
^
slow. clap.
slow. clap.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:01 am to reel_gator8
Reel Gator8-
well said, but help me out here. How would we make you physically or mentally fatigued?
well said, but help me out here. How would we make you physically or mentally fatigued?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:08 am to 3legr
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Reel Gator8-
well said, but help me out here. How would we make you physically or mentally fatigued?
If he was old enough to see a concert in '68, how old is he now? 60 at least.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:53 am to UAFanFromNOLA
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UAFanFromNOLA
Bookmarked
Posted on 6/12/12 at 2:16 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
I'm trying to educate the community since there were some pretty lackluster attempts out there.
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 2:27 am
Posted on 6/12/12 at 2:44 am to UAFanFromNOLA
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I'm trying to educate the community since there were some pretty lackluster attempts out there.
We are probably the easiest fan base to troll in the country, but originality is encouragedThis post was edited on 6/12/12 at 2:46 am
Posted on 6/12/12 at 4:00 am to URHatinIt
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If he was old enough to see a concert in '68, how old is he now? 60 at least.
Well....first of all...Howling Wolf didnt do "concerts"...venues he played in were bars. And second Im a spry 65 yrs young...and although I love rock, Rolling Stones & blues music like Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters etc etc..I also like to listen to hip hop, Kanye West & a lot of other stuff.
As to answer the other reply about Spurriers "Fun n Gun"...my response is to look up stats for 1990 through 2000 and you wont find but a handful of games were UF threw more than 50 times in a game. Spurrier knew better. He loved the sprint draw and used it a lot and of course we usually had big leads so we could run the ball in the 3rd or 4th qt.
Im just trying to make some of the Tex A&M crowd realize that the SEC is run first, run second and throw third as a norm. Since Im a tad older I can recall some really knock down and drag out defensive battles where scoring ten points seemed like enough to win games.
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