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re: Tennessee “'talent fee'

Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by PerrillouxToTexas
Member since Sep 2022
7116 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:08 pm to
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Nobody artificially suppresses anything.

Which is why the player earnings stayed the same after the restrictions were lifted, right?

Cam Newton brought Auburn a title for $250K. How much would he have cost had he come out of high school last year? Feel free to adjust for inflation.
Posted by PrideOfTheSouthland
Gateway to the South
Member since Nov 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:10 pm to
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Some people just have zero foresight.


Says the guy who thinks college football will lose interest.

For the very little people it’ll turn off, it will bring in 2x new viewers.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:11 pm to
I think coming up with several good solutions is not the constraint.

No one has the ability, the belief, the will, or the energy to even think any of it can be enforced.
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
12412 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:12 pm to
Exactly. NIL was strictly players getting endorsements while playing…. Want to do an autograph signing for tops or panini. Shake hands a local car dealership or restaurant. Not how much 2 mill? Raising ticket prices.
Posted by Radio One
On the banks of the Wabash
Member since Sep 2023
5718 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:13 pm to
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it will bring in 2x new viewers.

And how will *this* happen?

You think there’s some formula to either revive (the West Coast) or generate in the first place (the northeast) greater interest in CFB?
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 12:42 pm
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:14 pm to
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For the very little people it’ll turn off, it will bring in 2x new viewers.


You mean it'll become your NFL on Saturday, because your NFL on Sunday isn't enough.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14786 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:21 pm to
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No one has the ability, the belief, the will, or the energy to even think any of it can be enforced.


It can be enforced, it's basically how all pro sports work today.

The NCAA just decided to give up trying anything.
Posted by Radio One
On the banks of the Wabash
Member since Sep 2023
5718 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:21 pm to
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No one has the ability, the belief, the will, or the energy to even think any of it can be enforced.

Correct, I believe.

The sport is going to continue hurtling along its present course. Were there some truly authoritative central body that could control and direct it, reforms could be implemented.

But of course there’s nothing at all even approaching that.
Posted by PrideOfTheSouthland
Gateway to the South
Member since Nov 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:22 pm to
You’re assuming you need those areas.

What is the reason more money is flowing in to college football? Because businesses see opportunities.

Overall viewership is up on college football. More viewers, more opportunities for them to make money.

Money is not bad. I’d much rather a college athlete get paid than some shadow committee behind the scenes.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36777 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:22 pm to
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Which is why the player earnings stayed the same after the restrictions were lifted, right?

Cam Newton brought Auburn a title for $250K. How much would he have cost had he come out of high school last year? Feel free to adjust for inflation.


They did stay the same. NIL is not done by the schools themselves.

Players are not getting big checks from Alabama, Texas or any other schools. Cam Newton did not get a single check from Auburn.

What you seem to struggle with is the fact that people and organizations are free to come to agreements for competitive reasons to make a product. These restrictions are not artificial, they are voluntary and done for a purpose.

What's next, the NFL/NBA/MLB are no longer allowed to have a salary cap? Why do they do it? Because they would have a shitty product if they didn't, and in the end they would all make less money if they were even able to stay in business.

The fact people think capitalism means no rules at all just shows how far our education system has slipped. You can actually form a communistic community under capitalism and it's perfectly fine. It's when it's no longer voluntary that it becomes an issue and the NCAA is 100% voluntary.

And yet, what you claim to be non artificial is actually 100% artificial and created by government interference.


Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
7484 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:23 pm to
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I blame on it the Left.


Ironically the free market is the reason for this situation as well.

I think most normal people can agree that someone should be able to make money off their own name.... signing footballs, doing advertisements, etc if someone is willing to pay them to do that.

But since there isn't a specific clause that there must be monetary exchange for an actual good or service, schools and donors decided to just pay the players for nothing or next to nothing tangible in exchange, and that created an arms race in the CFB "market".

Even if we try to backtrack and put a clause in there to prevent players essentially being on a salary, it'll get challenged in court and the players will win.

I guess that's a longwinded way of saying that even though leftist ideals opened the door, free market ideals will likely keep it open.

The best we can hope for at this point is for one super conference with all the players getting an equal share of revenue, collectives to be banned, and then they would still be allowed to sign autographs, make appearances, etc for money but those probably go through a clearinghouse or something best case scenario.

Them not being able to use their own name for money was morally incorrect, but I think the current setup clearly is as well.
Posted by PrideOfTheSouthland
Gateway to the South
Member since Nov 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:23 pm to
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You mean it'll become your NFL on Saturday, because your NFL on Sunday isn't enough.


I don’t watch NFL.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:25 pm to
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The NCAA just decided to give up trying anything.


I respect your posts, but I'm thinking you're on the younger side, and haven't lived through multiple decades of the NCAA getting caught up in losing battles trying to keep schools in line.

It was a lost freaking cause, and you weren't going to do anything to places like Oklahoma or Alabama.
Posted by paperwasp
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Member since Sep 2014
28806 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:25 pm to
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the good ones like Florida are already 350-400$ a piece




(Yes, of course there are cheaper seats available. )

In all seriousness though, I realize this is a good problem to have, but in addition to regular season games, think of the money potentially spent on the SEC Championship Game, CFP multi-round games (or bowl games), plus travel.

It's been amazing, but I can't even venture to guess how much Alabama fans have cumulatively expended over the last 15–20 years.

And now the expectations are just more, more, more...
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:28 pm to
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I’d much rather a college athlete get paid than some shadow committee behind the scenes.


Fine. But some institutions have more money than others.

There is no competition without parity. That's called a side show.
Posted by PrideOfTheSouthland
Gateway to the South
Member since Nov 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:36 pm to
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But some institutions have more money than others.


Oh, bless your heart. You haven’t gotten the memo?

Life is not fair.
Posted by geauxtigs99
NY
Member since Dec 2005
1263 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:38 pm to
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Says the guy who thinks college football will lose interest. For the very little people it’ll turn off, it will bring in 2x new viewers.


College football is maxed out. But a decline will happen if all the smaller schools drop football because of costs and no rent a wins from major programs. MAC schools for example won’t be able to sustain the growth. It might not sound like much and a lot people will cheer the only conference game schedules but when you take entire regions of the country and make them into casual fans you are killing future growth. ABC/ESPN spent a boat load on SEC contract knowing they make their money back in SEC country, they make their money on other regions.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:38 pm to
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Life is not fair.


Ok. So let's shut down College Football due to that fact.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36777 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:39 pm to
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Ironically the free market is the reason for this situation as well.


No, it's not.

What's behind it was government came in and disrupted the free market.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36777 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:41 pm to
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Says the guy who thinks college football will lose interest.

For the very little people it’ll turn off, it will bring in 2x new viewers.


Same shite Nascar thought. Instead, for every viewer they gained, they lost 4.

Taking your existing base for granted while pursuing new customer is a classic business blunder that nobody is immune too.

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