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Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:31 am to volfan30
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Our upperclassmen are OVC quality thanks to Failmer.
that's sad.
The OVC has not ever won the AA division, have they?
I dont even think they have made the semi's.
I see Richmond, App State, Delaware, Montana State, Northern Iowa seem to be the big dogs.
I think you are being hard on the upperclassmen.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:32 am to ohiovol
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He's matched Tuberville in SEC titles and won a national title. I was also one of the guys saying they should have kept Tuberville and still honestly think he may be a better coach, but the fact is they won a national title, which are incredibly rare as it is. Now that they avoided any major NCAA issues, it's pretty damn difficult to say they messed up firing Tuberville.
You sound like LSU fans saying that Flynn was better than JR. Both coaches had the exact same record. One got to play in the NC game. The other didn't. Outside of Cam, Tubby's undefeated Auburn team was way better than last year's Auburn team. Tubby just got screwed because Auburn started lower than USC and OU that year.
If you want to crown the Chizik hire a success based on the fact that the media and coaches voted USC and OU better than Auburn in 2004, so be it. But, that is freakin' stupid.
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 9:34 am
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:32 am to hashtag
Look at how many seniors recruited by Fulmer are on our roster, and then wonder why we suck. I can only think of one right now, Wagner. Anybody else?
I would fire Fulmer 1,000 times over. I just would have threw out big money to bring in somebody established. If that meant cutting back on facilities, so be it.
I would fire Fulmer 1,000 times over. I just would have threw out big money to bring in somebody established. If that meant cutting back on facilities, so be it.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:34 am to hashtag
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You have 3 recruiting classes by coaches other than Fulmer. Do you feel like the talent is better now than when Fulmer was the coach?
Our youth is going to develop and be just as good or better than what Fulmer had...hopefully. Fulmer just fricked us by having shitty recruiting for about 3 years in a row. There's a reason we play only sophomores and freshman
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:35 am to NukemVol
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I just would have threw out big money to bring in somebody established. If that meant cutting back on facilities, so be it.
here's another question:
If you offered $5 million/year and couldn't get a guarantee from an established coach that was equal to or better than Fulmer, do you still fire him? Can you justify firing a coach and knowingly hiring someone who is not as good as he is?
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:38 am to hashtag
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Outside of Cam, Tubby's undefeated Auburn team was way better than last year's Auburn team. Tubby
We are still trying to get out from Tubs crappy recruiting the last few years.
eta: same can be said for Dooley.
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:39 am to ottothewise
The mistake wasn't Fulmer firing. It was not throwing big money at David Cutcliffe when Duke came calling. We should have offered him the bank. Most of Fulmers real success came when Cut, Cheif, and him were all three there together. I think Cutcliffe brought a work ethic and discipline to the program that just wasn't there when he left both times. I also think it pushed Flumer to be a better coach and recruiter. When he left the discipline and the work ethic seems to take nose dives. The recruiting wasn't as good. The program overall wasn't as good.
Cutcliffe was talked about when Kiffin left and Hamilton passed. That may turn out to be a mistake as well. He is a great coach. People say he isn't a big time recruiter but he hasn't had anything to sell at most stops. I would have like to have seen him got a shot. I don't think it could have been any worse than what we are seeing.
Cutcliffe was talked about when Kiffin left and Hamilton passed. That may turn out to be a mistake as well. He is a great coach. People say he isn't a big time recruiter but he hasn't had anything to sell at most stops. I would have like to have seen him got a shot. I don't think it could have been any worse than what we are seeing.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:42 am to hashtag
Yes. I still fire him 1,000 times over. Fulmer dug us into a hole. And then Kiffin pissed in it.
Kiffin was a bad hire. Hamilton lost his job over it. We know that now. Dooley is still up in the air. It's really hard to judge his coaching ability when the experience discrepency is so large when compared to other SEC teams. Though, I still question his coaching ability when our team is committing pee-wee football mistakes.
We have no choice now but to see how 2012 and 2013 goes. Hopefully Dooley can pull one more recruiting class together despite the horrid win/loss record. If he can do that, there's hope even if he is our Shula.
Kiffin was a bad hire. Hamilton lost his job over it. We know that now. Dooley is still up in the air. It's really hard to judge his coaching ability when the experience discrepency is so large when compared to other SEC teams. Though, I still question his coaching ability when our team is committing pee-wee football mistakes.
We have no choice now but to see how 2012 and 2013 goes. Hopefully Dooley can pull one more recruiting class together despite the horrid win/loss record. If he can do that, there's hope even if he is our Shula.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:45 am to NukemVol
Does UT make a bowl this year?
MTSU - W
@ Arkansas - L
Vandy - ?
Kentucky - ?
Need to sweep Vandy/UK to get 6 wins. I think lose to Vandy, and keep the streak against UK to get 5 wins.
MTSU - W
@ Arkansas - L
Vandy - ?
Kentucky - ?
Need to sweep Vandy/UK to get 6 wins. I think lose to Vandy, and keep the streak against UK to get 5 wins.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:49 am to hashtag
quote:Really? Let's compare first three seasons in Auburn.
Chizik hasn't sniffed the success that Tuberville had.
Tuberville
1999: 5-6 overall, 2-6 SEC (5th place in the West) no bowl game, lost to Bama 28-17
2000: 9-4(6-2) SEC West champ, beat Bama 9-0, lose to Florida in the SECCG, lose to Michigan in bowl game, final ranking 15 AP/20 Coaches
2001: 7-5(5-3), 2nd place in the west, lose to Bama 31-7, lose to UNC in bowl game
Chizik
2009: 8-5(3-5), 5th place in the West, lose to Bama 26-21, win the Outback Bowl; ranked 2nd in SEC, 16th in nation in total offense
2010: undefeated season, national title, beat Bama 28-27
2011: Will finish the regular season no worse than 7-5(4-4), no worse than 4th in the west, yes they lose to Bama (and possibly by large margin) they will go to a bowl game so they can finish either 8-5 or 7-6. 8-5 finish with a bowl win will most likely net a top 25 ranking in the final polls.
Based on the first three seasons I think you can say Chizik has been as successful as Tuberville, if not moreso. How will he fair on down the road, no one can say for sure, that will have to be evaluated in the future.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:49 am to bamafan425
Look at Arian Foster. He said there was no diet advice during his UT years. Seriously, nobody helped him with his diet at a $100M/year program. he specifically mentioned that on a radio interview on why he has become so succesful.
Then look at Fulmer....it's not surprising. My guess is there was a healthy helping of donuts on Saturday mornings.
Then look at Fulmer....it's not surprising. My guess is there was a healthy helping of donuts on Saturday mornings.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:50 am to bamafan425
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Fulmer is the reason that Tennessee is so down right now. Yeah, really. Kiffin didn't help the situation but Fulmer is the reason for the state of the program.
this makes me laugh....guy has been gone for 3-4 years now and he's the reason you suck so bad. Give me a break...I never remember the vols being this bad when he was there for the most part. Not to mention you got rid of the best DC in the country. Just admit it.... you made a mistake, its okay happens all the time
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 9:55 am
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:51 am to NukemVol
I don't think dieting would have kept him from fumbling.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:57 am to PuntBamaPunt
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I don't think dieting would have kept him from fumbling.
Seems to hold on to the ball just fine now.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:02 am to geauxcoco
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geauxcoco
Tennesse fans regrets firing fulmer?
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Fulmer is the reason that Tennessee is so down right now. Yeah, really. Kiffin didn't help the situation but Fulmer is the reason for the state of the program.
this makes me laugh....guy has been gone for 3-4 years now and he's the reason you suck so bad. Give me a break...I never remember the vols being this bad when he was there for the most part. Not to mention you got rid of the best DC in the country. Just admit it.... you made a mistake, its okay happens all the time
It's the middle of year three. While a good hire after Fulmer would have them going back in the right direction, there are still lingering personnel effects of Fulmer's failures at the end of his tenure.
As far as Chavis being the best DC in the country, he isn't. It's amazing how having better athletes can make a coach look better than he really is. Tennessee fans coined the expression "third and Chavis", and many of us fondly remember a twenty-something year old offensive coordinator taking Chavis to school in 2007, and Chavis making DJ Hall look like a Heisman candidate.
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 10:03 am
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:06 am to BamaGradinTn
The defensive play calling is much better this year from LSU than I remember his last few years at Tennessee. I think this reflects the HC. Miles and Fulmer are different. Fulmer is much more play not to lose.
Look, there's a reason nobody has even interviewed Phil since UT when he has thrown his name in the hat for just about every job.
Look, there's a reason nobody has even interviewed Phil since UT when he has thrown his name in the hat for just about every job.
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 10:08 am
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:08 am to NukemVol
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Look at how many seniors recruited by Fulmer are on our roster, and then wonder why we suck. I can only think of one right now, Wagner. Anybody else?
Anthony Anderson
Carson Anderson
Ben Bartholomew
Willie Bohannon
Art Evans
C.J. Fleming
Steven Fowlkes
Austin Johnson
Herman Lathers
Tauren Poole
Dallas Thomas
Daryl Vereen
Prentiss Waggner
Marlon Walls
Rodriguez Wilks
How many of those that are no longer at Tennessee is the result of Kiffin cutting players? I think I remember him doing that so he could sign more guys.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:10 am to geauxcoco
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this makes me laugh....guy has been gone for 3-4 years now and he's the reason you suck so bad. Give me a break
we have like 4 seniors on 2 deep thanks to Fulmer's terrible 2008 recruiting class. and they're mediocre at best talent.
however, lack of juniors needs to be blamed on Kiffin's 2009 class. half of 2009 class is gone.
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Not to mention you got rid of the best DC in the country.
right, the same DC that gave up a combined 101 points to Florida and Bama in 2007?
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:11 am to hashtag
Dallas Thomas and Wagner are the only two on that list that would play (two deep) at one of the top SEC programs. Some of them are downright awful.
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 10:12 am
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