Started By
Message
0
Posted on 11/15/09 at 2:04 pm to SBC
quote:
Your an idiot to compare these two. Look at the win/loss column. That is all that matters. Sorry/.
So you thnk Tebow and McElroy are the two best QBs in the SEC?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 2:34 pm to theenemy
Win/loss has much more influence over individual awards than it should. Tebow will be 1st team All-SEC, hog fans. Get used to it. Accept it. Nothing Mallett can do will overshadow how horrible his defense is. Just think how good his numbers would be if HE got to play against our defense.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 2:44 pm to woopiginaustin
another thing you aren't taking into consideration is that Tebow is a big running threat. Mallet is not. Tebow plays behind a Florida offensive line, Mallet does not. Florida historically has better offensive linemen therefore can offer more time in the pocket. Although, it seems as if Meyer has that line underacheiving somewhat.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 2:49 pm to wildrebeltime
quote:
another thing you aren't taking into consideration is that Tebow is a big running threat. Mallet is not. Tebow plays behind a Florida offensive line, Mallet does not. Florida historically has better offensive linemen therefore can offer more time in the pocket. Although, it seems as if Meyer has that line underacheiving somewhat.
Mallett has more total yards than Tebow. So what you are essentially saying is that Mallett's passing abilities are so much better than Tebow's that some of his passing yards/game are more than equivalent to Tebow's rush yards.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 2:54 pm to GoHoGsGo06
Well Arkansas has won 2 conference games. The 2 conference games were home games where I can show you film where the game was given to Arkansas on both occasions throughout numerous different plays in the game. I also can pretty much promise that Malzhan's offense is telegraphed run/pass/ and even direction, or it was being at that time.
Ole Miss problem is they are not very good in the offensive line. They started 2 guys most of the year side by side who are 6'0 tall, and actually their center might be more like 5'10, plus a sophomore tackle with little experience after losing AA Oher to the 1st round of the draft. If you have watched Nutt's teams you know he recruits mostly 6'4 and taller linemen. That is the first thing that suggests to me his line was undersized therefore overmatched by quality opposing fronts. Then protection broke down early causing Snead to be off his game. If you look at yesterday's starting lineup for Arkansas the entire 2 deep of the o-line except for Alvin Baily was a Nutt recruit and all 6'4 or taller. If you look at Ole Miss starting line up you see much more of Nutt recruits in the 2 deep at o-line than Petrino's at Ark.
So, I'd say I overestimated what Bobbie Massie and a couple more players were going to be capable of coming in to the season and the reason is b/c Nutt's using more complex blocking schemes that are harder to learn and the fact that they had alot of inexperience and undersized guys overmatched by stronger fronts. Massie started and played most snaps at gaurd for the first time yesterday.
Ole Miss problem is they are not very good in the offensive line. They started 2 guys most of the year side by side who are 6'0 tall, and actually their center might be more like 5'10, plus a sophomore tackle with little experience after losing AA Oher to the 1st round of the draft. If you have watched Nutt's teams you know he recruits mostly 6'4 and taller linemen. That is the first thing that suggests to me his line was undersized therefore overmatched by quality opposing fronts. Then protection broke down early causing Snead to be off his game. If you look at yesterday's starting lineup for Arkansas the entire 2 deep of the o-line except for Alvin Baily was a Nutt recruit and all 6'4 or taller. If you look at Ole Miss starting line up you see much more of Nutt recruits in the 2 deep at o-line than Petrino's at Ark.
So, I'd say I overestimated what Bobbie Massie and a couple more players were going to be capable of coming in to the season and the reason is b/c Nutt's using more complex blocking schemes that are harder to learn and the fact that they had alot of inexperience and undersized guys overmatched by stronger fronts. Massie started and played most snaps at gaurd for the first time yesterday.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 2:57 pm to wildrebeltime
quote:
another thing you aren't taking into consideration is that Tebow is a big running threat. Mallet is not.
TOTAL Offense
1) Mallett-284.7 yds/g
3) Tebow-233.4 yds/g
Total TDS
Mallet-25 Tds
Tebow-22 Tds
quote:
Tebow plays behind a Florida offensive line, Mallet does not. Florida historically has better offensive linemen therefore can offer more time in the pocket.
Even more reason to give mallett more credit.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 2:59 pm to wildrebeltime
quote:
wildrebeltime
You're an idiot.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 3:00 pm to ocelot4ark
that's a blanket statment but what do I say that you do not agree with?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 3:02 pm to wildrebeltime
Put Mallett on LSU and they might be undefeated.
This post was edited on 11/15/09 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 11/15/09 at 3:03 pm to wildrebeltime
quote:
wildrebeltime
Pretty much every word you say is something that I don't agree with, because it's horseshite. But we can START with this:
LINK
Posted on 11/15/09 at 3:12 pm to ocelot4ark
well hey they finally did something against the grain which is take 1 step forward , and then follow it up with another step forward. Now I'll have to pick them to beat Msu.
I didn't put any money on the Troy game.
But, with all due respect I answered the question the poster asked which had nothing to do with the Troy game.
The poster did ask what I thought of Petrino as a coach and the jury is still out. I think it's going to come down to how well can he recruit and there's nothing out there so far that leads me to believe he can recruit as well as the last guy and that things will be void of slipping downhill as Nutt's players leave.
I didn't put any money on the Troy game.
But, with all due respect I answered the question the poster asked which had nothing to do with the Troy game.
The poster did ask what I thought of Petrino as a coach and the jury is still out. I think it's going to come down to how well can he recruit and there's nothing out there so far that leads me to believe he can recruit as well as the last guy and that things will be void of slipping downhill as Nutt's players leave.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 3:15 pm to wildrebeltime
quote:
wildrebeltime
Why didn't you put money on it? You're such a football genius, right? You've made a billion dollars on betting and you just KNEW Troy would win, much less cover the spread. Sounds like you're full of shite to me.
You answered the question exactly how Nutt would have wanted you to answer. In a manner in which assigns him no fricking blame for anything that's ever happened at Arkansas.
Jury is out on Petrino? He hasn't shown he can recruit as well as Nutt? Really? Well, I'd say that the class he pulled in last year was better than any class Nutt EVER HAD while he was at Arkansas, might disagree with your assessment...which, as luck would have it, is full of shite.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 3:24 pm to ocelot4ark
there is no evidence whatsoever that class was better than any from the mid 2000's. There is no evidence that class was better than Nutt's 99 class who as upperclassmen won the west. You and your peers have to come off this blind faith mindset that b/c rivals says you were 16th it was the greatest class ever to come to Arkansas b/c you had too many juco's and too many other SEC teams had ranked higher. What's going to be interesting is to see how the defensive players he signed progressed but it looks like there are deficiences at all posistions on his first defensive class. He's also going to have to put together 2 good classes in a row and it does not appear he's doing that b/c he's struggling in his own state much more than Nutt did early in his career. He left Louisville 3 starters from his dismal 06 class. that team barely squeaked by a pathetic Syracuse team yesterday for their first Big east win and Kragthrope is not as bad of a coach as you want him to be.
When you see #16 remember Pelphrey had #16 for his first full class an only 2 of them remain. My guess is 2 or 3 years from now that Petrino class will rerank about 25-30 which is about where it has always been.
Back to the subject at hand.
I think Mallett needs to come out after this year and I hope he does b/c if he comes back to improve his status and is a top 5 pick next year chances are he's going to play behind a woeful offensive line. If he goes this year and can get drafted 20 to 30 somewhere he has a much better chance to play behind a stable line which he needs. We've witnessed the sadness of Mcfadden rotting behind a bad line on a bad team and I hate the thought of it happening to Mallett.
When you see #16 remember Pelphrey had #16 for his first full class an only 2 of them remain. My guess is 2 or 3 years from now that Petrino class will rerank about 25-30 which is about where it has always been.
Back to the subject at hand.
I think Mallett needs to come out after this year and I hope he does b/c if he comes back to improve his status and is a top 5 pick next year chances are he's going to play behind a woeful offensive line. If he goes this year and can get drafted 20 to 30 somewhere he has a much better chance to play behind a stable line which he needs. We've witnessed the sadness of Mcfadden rotting behind a bad line on a bad team and I hate the thought of it happening to Mallett.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 3:42 pm to wildrebeltime
quote:
Dumbass
Considering Nutt rarely, if EVER, had top 25 recruiting classes at Arkansas and he only finished in the top 25 one time (maybe 2?), I'd say that those Rivals recruiting rankings are more indicative than you think. Why do you think Petrino had to get JUCO players, dipshit? Could it have anything to do with the fact that Nutt didn't recruit worth a shite and left the cupboard bare? Oh wait, Nutt's never done anything wrong, right?
Are you talking about the 2002 SEC West championship that Nutt "won" because Alabama was on probation? The team that lost by 30 in the championship game? What exactly did they prove?
The defensive players Petrino has signed are already contributing, which is a necessity since Nutt's defenders are so horrible. Petrino's already put together 2 good classes. And as a Nutt fan you should know that recruiting isn't over until February. What is, will not always be you shortsighted simpleton.
Louisville fans would KILL to have Petrino back.
Pelphrey? You're bringing up Pelphrey in a football discussion? Uhhh, okay. I'd say the major difference between Petrino and Pelphrey's classes is that there's been no indication that the football guys are thugs or that they skip class.
You think Mallett's going to play behind an offensive line that's WORSE than this year? Why is that? Wishful thinking? The OL is much better than it was LAST year in pass blocking, and that's minus a Rimington Award winner. Could it be that Petrino knows how to develop/teach? How else can you explain that kind of improvement? Are Nutt and Markuson sneaking over and giving private lessons to the Arkansas OL out of the goodness of their hearts?
Jesus Christ...TulsaHawg? Is that you? You certainly mimic that douchebag in terms of blind faith to a fake Christian. Bravo. Go masturbate in some gatorade after OM beats another 5 win team.
This post was edited on 11/15/09 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 11/15/09 at 3:50 pm to ocelot4ark
So far Nutt is 2-0 against Petrino.
Nutt left 9 of 10 players in the 2 deep at O-line and inherited alot worse but is still 2-0 against Bobby.
there is no evidence b/c some internet quack says this was the 16 best class in the nation that it was. Petrino has to prove he can recruit the Brishen Mathews', the Michael Dyers', the Byran Jones' and he's got a long way to go to do that b/c Nutt built his teams around those type of players until the fans made things impossible for him late in his career. This poor recruiting you think he left I don't agree with at all b/c Arkansas has been too competitive at Florida, SC, Auburn, and other games with Nutt's players. The only holes are due to fans making things harder on him and the program than they had to be. They got their new coach, but he's not recruting or winning as much as Nutt does and is 0-2 against Nutt and will fall to 0-3 next year.
Nutt left 9 of 10 players in the 2 deep at O-line and inherited alot worse but is still 2-0 against Bobby.
there is no evidence b/c some internet quack says this was the 16 best class in the nation that it was. Petrino has to prove he can recruit the Brishen Mathews', the Michael Dyers', the Byran Jones' and he's got a long way to go to do that b/c Nutt built his teams around those type of players until the fans made things impossible for him late in his career. This poor recruiting you think he left I don't agree with at all b/c Arkansas has been too competitive at Florida, SC, Auburn, and other games with Nutt's players. The only holes are due to fans making things harder on him and the program than they had to be. They got their new coach, but he's not recruting or winning as much as Nutt does and is 0-2 against Nutt and will fall to 0-3 next year.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 3:51 pm to wildrebeltime
Wow yet ANOTHER Hog fan posting about Mallett. 
Posted on 11/15/09 at 4:01 pm to wildrebeltime
quote:
dumbass
Nutt has proven tons, right? Like how he can be:
4-7 at Murray State
5-6 at Murray State
5-6 at Boise State
and
5-6 at Arkansas
4-7 at Arkansas
Petrino's worst year he's ever had was last year, with Nutt's garbage leftovers, at 5-7. That's just as good as Nutt did with his own players after being at Arkansas for 7 years. He's already improved on last year's team. Less Nutt players = better results for Arkansas. You think that, somehow, Nutt is a better coach because his senior-laden teams littered with NFL players have beaten Arkansas? I've got a bridge for sale if you're interested.
Recruiting is a marathon, douchebag. What has Brishen Mathews, Michael Dyer, or ByrOn Jobes proven? Oh, just because some Rivals guy says they're good players, that makes it so? It goes both ways, retard. The difference with Nutt and Petrino is that, if Nutt lost an instate recruit, he'd offer the next 2* guy from instate. Petrino doesn't give a shite if a 3* safety from Monticello goes to Ole Miss. He'll find someone else that would fill the teams needs. He's not just going to offer someone just because they're from Arkansas.
But yeah, it's the FANS fault that Nutt didn't recruit. yep. Blame it on the fans. The fans weren't doing shite in the 2001-2002 recruiting classes. So whose fault is it that the 2004-2005 teams were so god-awful?
Has Nutt ever done anything wrong?
Does he have any shortcomings?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 4:02 pm to Marines4Auburn
quote:
Marines4Auburn
Typically, when someone is worthy of accolades, such accolades are given.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 4:14 pm to ocelot4ark
I don't think it was anyone's fault those classes were so godaweful and I'm not sure they were. YOu're obviously much more in to this dialogue than me b/c your losing the argument so maybe you can research the classes and give me a top 7 and bottom 7 of each. If they didn't put many players in the NFL draft it was likely b/c Arkansas as a state did not produce much NFL talent and it's not reasonable to think we can go to other states consistantly and recruit guys that go on to play in the NFL when other in state schools are offering them. When Arkansas offers a Parker Mack, Brishen Mathews, Michael Dyer, Byran Jones, and does not land them, then they have to go out of state for replacements and they almost always get a lesser talented player. If not, then why else not offer the 2nd guy in the first place and not offer the Arkansas player.
Obviously , we appear to be in an era at Arkansas where recruiting the few in-state superstars is going to be harder than it was during the Nutt years going forward. It will be interesting to see if any Arkansans from the 09 class ever see the field. I keep hearing Winston wants to transfer and does some negative blogs about football now. Berna has had shoulder problems. I think it's going to be impossible to get out of the bottom third of the SEC if we can't get about 90% of the Arkansas players we want and I don't think Petrino has the personality to sign anywhere near that.
Obviously , we appear to be in an era at Arkansas where recruiting the few in-state superstars is going to be harder than it was during the Nutt years going forward. It will be interesting to see if any Arkansans from the 09 class ever see the field. I keep hearing Winston wants to transfer and does some negative blogs about football now. Berna has had shoulder problems. I think it's going to be impossible to get out of the bottom third of the SEC if we can't get about 90% of the Arkansas players we want and I don't think Petrino has the personality to sign anywhere near that.
Page 2 of 5
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News