re: Teams with most National Championship according to the NCAA

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No one should've claimed anything prior to the AP poll in 1936 since there was no actual poll that existed before then.

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that would make it really simple, but if it were simple, we wouldn't have so much conversation about it on so many www boards, and so there would be less clicks on those websites that list so many titles for every team. In other words, as always, it's about $$$$

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No one should've claimed...

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No school should ever "claim" any title. A school should either acknowledge awards given to them BY 3RD PARTIES, or not.

So, in your opinion, its ok that National Champion "Penn" can beat the following:

Ursinus
Bucknell
Villanova
Gettysburg
Brown
Carnegie Tech
Lafayette
and tie Carlisle

While LSU can DOMINATE their entire schedule which also includes:
Texas A&M
Auburn
Miss. A&M
Baylor
Arkansas

....and not be considered a great team that year? Gtfo

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LSU doesn't acknowledge it.

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I’ll never recognize 1908 LSU as a National Champion. That is Pennsylvania’s and it’s not even close.

The same with LSU and it’s bogus 1958 “title”. That one belongs to Iowa.

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The NCAA does indeed recognize titles awarded. But they list titles awarded by the following:

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Again, that is not "recognizing" titles. It's just a media list. If you want to say that is recognizing titles, then recognizing titles doesn't mean shite.

The simple fact they carry 2017 UCF should be more than a clue that it's just a matter of what schools want to claim. Do you realize how many other national championships could be claimed because a school used a BCS selector? But there is only 1 school that claims a national championship because of it.

Oklahoma St was apparently a national champion in 2011, despite losing to a crap team and not playing in the NCG.

Notre Dame apparently a national champion in 2012, despite losing to Alabama badly in the NCG.

Alabama can also claim 2016 by this method, even though they lost to Clemson that year in the NCG.

And this is just using 1 of the "BCS Selectors". Yet none of these will appear on your list for some reason, even though according to your paragraph they all qualify.

....ok...

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Again, that is not "recognizing" titles. It's just a media list.

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WTF are you talking about?

First, that's not the "media", it's the NCAA. Second, their inclusion of a list of teams awarded championships most certainly IS "recognizing titles". Just because the NCAA doesn't award the titles themselves doesn't mean they can't recognize or acknowledge them.

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The simple fact they carry 2017 UCF should be more than a clue that it's just a matter of what schools want to claim.

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It's not some wish list provided by the schools. They identified the selectors and provided their results.

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Do you realize how many other national championships could be claimed because a school used a BCS selector?

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I don't really care, as I don't really pay attention to what schools "claim". That's not how titles are awarded.

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Oklahoma St was apparently a national champion in 2011, despite losing to a crap team and not playing in the NCG.

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Oklahoma State was AWARDED a title by an organization. Whether or not the organization was worthy of being recognized by the school is a different matter. VERY much like Alabama's 1941 title. It's there, it's just embarrassing that Alabama acknowledges it.

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Yet none of these will appear on your list for some reason, even though according to your paragraph they all qualify.

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You're not usually this stupid.

It's not my list, nor is it my paragraph.

There are selectors, there are major selectors, and then there are selectors that deserve to be acknowledged.

LSU has been awarded championships in football for 1908, 1935, 1936, 1958, 1962, 2003, 2007, 2011 and 2019. Only four of those are worth acknowledgement: 1958, 2003, 2007, and 2019.

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WTF are you talking about?

First, that's not the "media", it's the NCAA. Second, their inclusion of a list of teams awarded championships most certainly IS "recognizing titles". Just because the NCAA doesn't award the titles themselves doesn't mean they can't recognize or acknowledge them.

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Are you saying the NCAA doesn't put out media material?

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t's not some wish list provided by the schools. They identified the selectors and provided their results.

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No, they did not. If that is what they did, then they would be listing many more national championships. I gave you the list of national championships that would be listed if that is what they actually did using just the 1 selector they used for UCF.

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I don't really care, as I don't really pay attention to what schools "claim". That's not how titles are awarded.

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Again, they only list the ones that are claimed. If they used the method you claimed, then they would be listing many more. I gave you the list and yet you still persist.

Your link didn't actually work, but I've seen the list before. Is 2016 Alabama on that list? Is 2011 Oklahoma St on the list? 2012 Notre Dame listed?

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Oklahoma State was AWARDED a title by an organization. Whether or not the organization was worthy of being recognized by the school is a different matter. VERY much like Alabama's 1941 title. It's there, it's just embarrassing that Alabama acknowledges it.

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Was Oklahoma St listed on your link?

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You're not usually this stupid.

It's not my list, nor is it my paragraph.

There are selectors, there are major selectors, and then there are selectors that deserve to be acknowledged.

LSU has been awarded championships in football for 1908, 1935, 1936, 1958, 1962, 2003, 2007, 2011 and 2019. Only four of those are worth acknowledgement: 1958, 2003, 2007, and 2019.

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It's your misunderstanding of what the list actually is. Again, if that paragraph is what they followed, why are so many other national championships missing from the same selectors?

I use to run a computer ranking system, which was better than all the BCS computers. Does that mean teams can claim national championships off it's results? I think that is absurd.

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No, I'm saying the NCAA is not considered a part of the "media".

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Organizations put out media material all the time.

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No, but it does mean a school can acknowledge a title based on your results.

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Nah that is silly. At any rate, since my rankings didn't suck, they never disagreed with the real national champion anyway.

If you are going to use this philosophy, then you can't call them "national championships" without a clarification. Colley Matrix National Champion, or something like that. Because they aren't real.

Especially in an era where the games are decided on the field in a format agreed upon by all schools.

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Yes, we ALL think that Alabama's acknowledgement of that 1941 title is absurd.

You're trying to make this a science, with logic and reason. It's not. It's subjective, irrational and illogical. It's college football, not rocket science.

Schools look over the list of all the organizations that have said that school had the best team for one season or another. Then the school decides whether or not to acknowledge that award. When a school decides to acknowledge an award from some second-rate operation, the rest of college football points and laughs at them. That's how college football works.

Yes, there are lists and lists of organizations that have awarded CFB titles. It's up to each individual school to decide which organizations are reputable, and which are not. If they choose wrongly, they will be ridiculed.

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I don't know why you keep bringing up 1941. I don't think it's a legit claim. I can't change that personally, but I don't recognize it, don't think it should be recognized and think Alabama should drop it's claim. If the NCAA did actually start to "recognize" titles, then I would hope it would not get recognized because it's a math ranking in the poll era.

If there is no logic and reason behind these things, then they are meaningless. This sounds like the liberal way of life to me, where all true meaning of everything, down to basic concepts like gender are rendered meaningless. That's not my way of life.

And because of that, the list given here is meaningless. There is no formula, there are no guidelines, it's just a bunch of shite that gets listed because of what teams claim. As such, there is nothing official or recognized, it's just what teams claim. So using it as justification for a claim is just circular meaningless logic.

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Organizations put out media material all the time.

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It's their record book.

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Nah that is silly.

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Sure it would, you're an unknown. But here's what it says the criteria are for selectors in the NCAA record book:
NATIONAL CHAMPION MAJOR SELECTIONS (1896 TO PRESENT)
The criteria for being included in this historical list of poll selectors is that the poll be national in scope, either through distribution in newspaper, television, radio and/or computer online. The list includes both former selectors, who were instrumental in the sport of college football, and selectors who were among the Bowl
Championship Series (BCS) selectors.

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Especially in an era where the games are decided on the field in a format agreed upon by all schools.

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Don't apply the standards of today to the past.

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I don't know why you keep bringing up 1941.

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Because it's a good example of how the system actually worked pre-BCS. Organizations published who they thought the best team was. If they were considered reputable, schools might consider acknowledging their award for best team that year. By 1936, it pretty much boiled down to the AP, and by 1950 it was the AP (press) and the UPI (coaches).

The fact is that Alabama does indeed hold the Houlgate CFB title for 1941. I have no problem with that, it is a national title award. The problem comes in when the school decides to celebrate it on equal footing with its AP and UPI titles. That's Alabama's judgement call, not anyone else's. But the rest of the world gets to point and laugh.

There's another "Houlgate" national championship award. In 2011, Houlgate awarded LSU as national champions. The university, LSU, could actually choose to acknowledge that award, but chooses not to so they don't look like morons.

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I don't think it's a legit claim. I can't change that personally, but I don't recognize it, don't think it should be recognized

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None of that matters. What matters is that Alabama has chosen to acknowledge it. They are well within their rights to, as it was actually awarded. They just look stupid doing it.

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If the NCAA did actually start to "recognize" titles

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They recognize them when they publish them. They just don't actually award them.

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If there is no logic and reason behind these things, then they are meaningless

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Of course they're meaningless. "Meaning" in the context of college football comes in the form of sportsmanship, leadership, 'teamsmanship', discipline, and those sorts of things. Not championships. Those are only recognition of the meaningful things, but are not meaningful in and of themselves. As Nick Saban would say, it's the process that's important. If you excel at the process, all the other shite will follow.

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This sounds like the liberal way of life to me, where all true meaning of everything, down to basic concepts like gender are rendered meaningless...

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Oh, FFS...