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re: Teams with most National Championship according to the NCAA
Posted on 7/10/22 at 6:41 pm to cajunbama
Posted on 7/10/22 at 6:41 pm to cajunbama
One thing that cannot be contested. Alabama has more national titles than any other SEC school, and arguably more than all of them combined.
Bama also has far and away more conference titles. Period.
Bama also has far and away more conference titles. Period.
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 8:43 pm to cajunbama
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Apparently you can’t comprehend what you read. It says according to, not awarded by.
The NCAA doesn’t award NC’s in Division I football, but it does list titles on its website. and not just the one in the link.
It will list anything people want them to list. The NCAA does not award, it does not recognize or anything like that. It's nothing but articles by writers.
Again, if you think the NCAA has a process for this, then where it is? What criteria is needed for them to "recognize" a national championship?
This post was edited on 7/10/22 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 7/10/22 at 8:51 pm to cajunbama
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Apparently you can’t comprehend what you read. It says according to, not awarded by.
The NCAA doesn’t award NC’s in Division I football, but it does list titles on its website. and not just the one in the link.
Just to be clear, the website in the link isn't affiliated with the NCAA in any manner.
The NCAA does recognize championships though.
The 1908 champion is, at least partially, LSU, according to the NCAA, but LSU doesn't claim it for some reason.
Posted on 7/10/22 at 8:52 pm to 3down10
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The NCAA does not award, it doesn't not recognize or anything like that.
The double negative is throwing me off but the NCAA absolutely does "recognize" championships.
Posted on 7/10/22 at 9:05 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The double negative is throwing me off but the NCAA absolutely does "recognize" championships.
Fixed the error, thanks.
But if the NCAA recognizes championships, then where are the guidelines they follow to do so?
Posted on 7/10/22 at 9:13 pm to 3down10
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But if the NCAA recognizes championships, then where are the guidelines they follow to do so?
Apparently no "real" guidelines because they recognize UCF as one of the 2017 national champions
Posted on 7/10/22 at 10:28 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Apparently no "real" guidelines because they recognize UCF as one of the 2017 national champions
Like I said, they don't recognize anything. They'll just list anything people want to claim. Not much different than just what the schools themselves claim.
I wouldn't mind a logical approach to make them "official", but it doesn't exist.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 6:39 am to SidewalkTiger
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The 1908 champion is, at least partially, LSU, according to the NCAA, but LSU doesn't claim it for some reason.
LSU doesn't "claim" it, because LSU doesn't "claim" any titles. LSU acknowledges titles AWARDED TO them - like a trophy. If no one gave LSU a trophy for a championship, LSU doesn't acknowledge one. You don't look for championships in the historical records, you look in the trophy cabinet.
Why is this so fricking hard for people to understand? Titles are AWARDED and not CLAIMED. If you don't have a trophy, you don't have a title.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 7:17 am to 3down10
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Like I said, they don't recognize anything. They'll just list anything people want to claim.
The NCAA does indeed recognize titles awarded. But they list titles awarded by the following:
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NATIONAL CHAMPION MAJOR SELECTIONS (1896 TO PRESENT)
The criteria for being included in this historical list of poll selectors is that the poll be national in scope, either through distribution in newspaper, television, radio and/or computer online. The list includes both former selectors, who were instrumental in the sport of college football, and selectors who were among the Bowl
Championship Series (BCS) selectors.
LINK
Posted on 7/11/22 at 7:21 am to SidewalkTiger
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NCAA.com isn't affiliated with the NCAA...
I said unbiased source, not the ncaa.
I'm the poster that noted a few years ago that ncaa.org is the ncaa website, and not ncaa.com.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 7:45 am to ALA2262
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I have never agreed with Bama recognizing 1941.
This is true, Mississippi State won the SEC that year and beat Bama 14-0 in Tuscaloosa, which was a fairly wide gap in those days.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 7:49 am to ALA2262
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I have never agreed with Bama recognizing 1941
neither have I and I never count that one. ncaa.com doesn't count it either, nor any of the rest of the questionable years that some sources account for Alabama and any other team. It's about the best unbiased source I have seen.
ncaa.com college football national titles
Posted on 7/11/22 at 8:17 am to BLG
That link triggers the shite out of UGA and Vol fans.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 8:21 am to BLG
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I said unbiased source, not the ncaa.
I'm the poster that noted a few years ago that ncaa.org is the ncaa website, and not ncaa.com.
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It's about the best unbiased source I have seen.
What makes it any more unbiased than any other media site?
Posted on 7/11/22 at 8:43 am to 3down10
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Like I said, they don't recognize anything.
They always have.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 8:43 am to 3down10
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Like I said, they don't recognize anything. They'll just list anything people want to claim. Not much different than just what the schools themselves claim.
I wouldn't mind a logical approach to make them "official", but it doesn't exist.
Yep. Some of those NC claimed are computer ratings from the 90s or later that went back and retroactively awarded national championships, like Sagarin. That's how UK got their Sagarin 1950 NC.
Interestingly, I cant find anywhere a list of Sagarin national championships on a Sagarin/USA Today site, only those catchall sites that show all of the possible NCs including Houlgate, Litkenhouse, etc. Clearly some of those sites just copy what another site has already put out. That's what the NCAA. com site did.
I know of one school (not UK) that just within the past 5-10 years started claiming a Sagarin National Championship, and there is no legitimate site to back it up (no reference link).
I think the school just made it up. 10 years ago those catchall sites didn't have the Sagarin NC for that school, but now they do. Sagarin didn't just suddenly in 2012 award a NC for a season 50+ years ago.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 8:44 am
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:05 am to SidewalkTiger
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What makes it any more unbiased than any other media site?
Neither did I say it was more unbiased.
It is better, in my opinion (you know, like subjectively?) for the express reason that it doesn't count every single questionable year for every single program, which is often so that website will get more clicks. More clicks, you know, generally means more money.
Is it perfect? Well of course not, and I didn't say that either. For an example, since I am an Alabama fan I think it should count at least a share for Alabama for 1934, as a lot of sources do, but it doesn't and I'm not going to lose sleep about it.
The point is that it's a good unbiased source for all programs. It's a measuring point, nothing more or less. As I already said, I'm ok with starting in 1936 with AP and UPI/Coaches poll. I would be good for staring in 1970, when all the nation, as far as I know, were integrated teams. I'm also ok with playoff era only.
Also as previously noted, any way you measure it, Alabama has more than any team since the Ivy League ruled football (or similar to football) in the 1800s.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:36 am to BLG
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Also as previously noted, any way you measure it, Alabama has more than any team since the Ivy League ruled football (or similar to football) in the 1800s.
I would go as far as to say that, up until Georgia Tech put Southern football on the map with their 1917 national championship, prior championships should be considered conference or regional championships at best.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:42 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I would go as far as to say that, up until Georgia Tech put Southern football on the map with their 1917 national championship, prior championships should be considered conference or regional championships at best.
excludes LSU in 1908, but that works for me
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:59 am to BLG
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excludes LSU in 1908
Yeah, that was regional at best. LSU doesn't acknowledge it.
In 1908 LSU basically beat:
A&M (26-0)
@ Auburn (10-2)
State(50-0)
Baylor(89-0)
@ Arkansas(36-4)
And then a bunch of club teams and Indians. They didn't even play Tulane that year.
The Ringer:
George Ellwood "Doc" Fenton
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