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re: Spurrier to Saban: Play TN as a Non-Conference Game
Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:25 am to Sheetbend
Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:25 am to Sheetbend
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Florida has won 85% of its divisional games since 2001
Again stats can be skewed to prove any point you want. That doesn't take into account the level of competition that they played against in the east nor does it change what they are now a good but not not great nor nearly the team you make them out to be. They have not been the same since Tebow left and their offensive production is abysmal. There are not enough hours for me to dig up every flame you throw out regardingschedules however in a completely unrelated thread intended to be light conversation about conferences you go and turn it into a flame about schedules. Everyone. Knows the persona you display anonymously on this board and all have called you out on it. One thing is for sure though everything in my post you responsed to is about as accurate as it gets.
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:28 am to labamafan
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...would like to add two good west team's and send Auburn and Bama to the east. That keeps all of our rivalries in tact.
All the East teams with the exception of Tennessee would block Bama coming to the East--never going to happen.
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There are not enough hours for me to dig up every flame you throw out regardingschedules however
I am not asking for every flame, just one. I responded to a thread on the SEC Help page asking for a review of my flames. I seconded that request for a review of my posts. None of my accusers could produce one post they considered a flame--not one!
On the other hand, I have plenty examples of trolls trying to bait me with insulting flames, but I don't waist my time complaining.
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 5:37 am
Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:30 am to Sheetbend
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All the East teams with the exception of Tennessee would block Bama coming to the East--never going to happen.
Why are they afraid like Urban that they will get run out of the league by superior coaching
Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:30 am to molsusports
quote:So Bama and LSU don't play every year?
Since we're stuck with 14 teams the obvious scheduling solution is probably the roommate switch
Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:42 am to genro
which fricking sucks... but there's no good way to maintain all the meaningful games and play everyone... there are just too many teams with 14 teams (even if you increased to 9 conference games)
LSU would have:
even years: A&M, Ole Miss, MSU, Fla, UGA, USC, MU, KY
odd years: A&M, Ole Miss, MSU, Tenn, Auburn, Bama, Arky, Vandy
Bama would have:
even years: Tenn, Auburn, USC, Fla, MU, KY, Arky, Vandy
odd years: Tenn, Auburn, USC, UGA, LSU, A&M, MSU, Ole Miss
LSU would have:
even years: A&M, Ole Miss, MSU, Fla, UGA, USC, MU, KY
odd years: A&M, Ole Miss, MSU, Tenn, Auburn, Bama, Arky, Vandy
Bama would have:
even years: Tenn, Auburn, USC, Fla, MU, KY, Arky, Vandy
odd years: Tenn, Auburn, USC, UGA, LSU, A&M, MSU, Ole Miss
Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:45 am to molsusports
Alabama's EVEN-year schedule is even easier than their schedule now 
Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:51 am to genro
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Alabama's EVEN-year schedule is even easier than their schedule now
Yeah, if you look at the pods it is clear why Bama (and every other Small Pod team (Florida, Tenn, UGA, USC, Auburn) has an easier schedule every other year... the North Pod sucks balls with Arkansas, Missouri, KY, Vandy as opposed to the West Pod of A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, MSU
It means the teams from teh West Pod will generally face a more consistent schedule strength from year to year and the teams in the small pods will probably have some ups and downs. It is still better than anything else I've seen proposed.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:52 am to genro
The permanent opponent rule has not typically affected the divisonal title races in the past, but with three evenly matched teams in both divisions, it will come into effect much more often now.
Florida's offense will dramatically improve when they get the Boise St. offense fully implemented and start getting the right kind of QB to run it.
LSU's offense will become much more effective with Cameron running the offense. The matchups between Saban and Cameron are going to be ones for the ages.
However, LSU and Florida will continue to split their games while Bama will continue to cruise through Tennessee with almost perfect consistency.
Eventually, some of the LSU fans could go balistic, and it could have tragic results.
Florida's offense will dramatically improve when they get the Boise St. offense fully implemented and start getting the right kind of QB to run it.
LSU's offense will become much more effective with Cameron running the offense. The matchups between Saban and Cameron are going to be ones for the ages.
However, LSU and Florida will continue to split their games while Bama will continue to cruise through Tennessee with almost perfect consistency.
Eventually, some of the LSU fans could go balistic, and it could have tragic results.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 5:55 am to Sheetbend
quote:Nostradamus?
but with three evenly matched teams in both divisions
How long have you been watching college football.
The way things shake out - who's good and who's not - is NEVER the way you expect it to be.
In fact I personally guarantee that some of your bold predictions about the future WILL BE WRONG.
How can we decide schedules based on what you THINK will happen in the future?
Posted on 6/7/13 at 6:12 am to genro
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The way things shake out - who's good and who's not - is NEVER the way you expect it to be.
In any given year I'd have to agree with you. But I think we generally agree there are some programs that have innate advantages and are going to win more games over time.
I've got very mixed feelings on this whole scheduling philosophy stuff right now. I think the SEC sort of lucked into a great set of permanent opponents in:
Alabama/Tenn
Auburn/UGA
LSU/Florida
Arky/USC
Ole Miss/Vandy
MSU/KY
Those are programs that have turned out to match up pretty well in general in strength (better probably than we thought they might back in the 90s). But as the we've added teams and therefore reduced the percentage of opposite division opponents each team can play this has played some hell with schedule equality from year to year especially because the east is no longer just florida and tennessee and the west is no longer alabama and occasionally auburn like it was in the 90s.
Frankly the opposite division opponents tended to be fun and interesting but not terribly important when it came to who won the conference in the 90s - because with more bad programs in the middle to lower half of the conference in the 90s there was usually a bigger gap between the best and the second and third best teams in each division (tennessee wasn't going to lose to anyone other than Florida or Alabama for the most part)
Now we look poised to see a lot more years with 3 programs out of Bama, LSU, A&M, and Auburn (or UGA, Tenn, Fla, USC from the East) finishing 5-1 within the conference and having the division winner decided by unequal schedules from the opposite division. That's bad for the individual teams (being punished for playing better opponents and being denied an equal shot at winning the conference) but I don't know how to make it better.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 6:19 am to molsusports
It's not likely to happen very often, and it doesn't matter what system you put in place.
If you have a situation where Teams A, B, and C all lost one game each. And A beat B, B beat C, and C beat A.... then you have to go to something arbitrary or unfair to shake it out. In the Big 12, they use BCS ranking (which occurred one season where TTech, Texas, and OU were A,B, and C). I'm pretty sure fans would be pissed about that. The SEC does it differently
The REAL injustice was what happened to South Carolina in 2011. They went undefeated in their division, yet they didn't win their division. If there was gonna be a brouhaha about scheduling, it should've been then.
If you have a situation where Teams A, B, and C all lost one game each. And A beat B, B beat C, and C beat A.... then you have to go to something arbitrary or unfair to shake it out. In the Big 12, they use BCS ranking (which occurred one season where TTech, Texas, and OU were A,B, and C). I'm pretty sure fans would be pissed about that. The SEC does it differently
The REAL injustice was what happened to South Carolina in 2011. They went undefeated in their division, yet they didn't win their division. If there was gonna be a brouhaha about scheduling, it should've been then.
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 6:20 am
Posted on 6/7/13 at 6:26 am to molsusports
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but I don't know how to make it better.
I think that is what everyone's issue is at this point. Do I like the bridge schedule no, do I enjoy seeing GA every couple of years as well as USC yes. I really like a nine game schedule with one bcs ooc opponent. I don't need to see Bama embarrass north Texas or GA State. We know we are going to 16 sooner rather than later but but so again if th parity in the divisions can be maintained send Bama and Auburn to the east and redo permanent opponents if necessary.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 6:28 am to labamafan
If Bama and Auburn both go to the east, you won't need permanents.
The rivalries that have to be preserved:
Bama-UT
Bama-Auburn
Auburn-UGA
UF-UGA
OM-MSU
will all be in the same division
The rivalries that have to be preserved:
Bama-UT
Bama-Auburn
Auburn-UGA
UF-UGA
OM-MSU
will all be in the same division
Posted on 6/7/13 at 6:29 am to genro
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The REAL injustice was what happened to South Carolina in 2011. They went undefeated in their division, yet they didn't win their division. If there was gonna be a brouhaha about scheduling, it should've been then.
yeah, that sucked for them and a similar thing happened back in 2006 for example when Arkansas won the west because LSU lost to Florida and Auburn - whereas Arkansas only lost to LSU.
I used to post on a ESPN message board and argued the great virtue of the SEC 12 team system was it made it very difficult for the two best teams in the conference to miss playing each other at least once in a single year. And it generally is... assuming you don't see a team like Florida of 2001, LSU of 2006, or UGA of 2007 just lose games they really shouldn't have lost (ruining a division result).
Honestly I recognize no system is fair and can live with most of the proposals on the table. I do think there's an advantage for Bama playing Tenn instead of drawing Florida like LSU... but the advantage is small and another proposal which fixed that difference would be bound to adversely affect another teams' fair shot at the division. The only thing RE: scheduling that has really gotten under my skin is really the 2013 schedule with LSU playing at UGA instead of at KY while Bama does the reverse. That one reeks of back-room cronyism when you look at who should have been playing who this year.
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 6:31 am
Posted on 6/7/13 at 6:29 am to molsusports
Bro, it is pointless to argue about the schedule. If the same shite happens next year then God help them! REC gonna get sniped by the Cajun Mafia
Posted on 6/7/13 at 6:34 am to genro
quote:I totally disagree.
How long have you been watching college football.
The way things shake out - who's good and who's not - is NEVER the way you expect it to be.
The big-10 has been Ohio St. or Michigan forever. Wisconsin will never win a national championship
In the Pac-10 It has been USC whenever they have a decent coach, and now Oregon since their Microsoft money man took interest, and maybe UCLA could become a factor with the right coach. Stanford has been good, but not great.
the Big-12 looks like a disaster. It's Texas, Oklahoma, or nothing like last year. With TAM winning, Brown might not last much longer. Texas could pay Saban twice what bama pays him and not even feel it.
That would hilarious if Saban went to Texas.
the ACC is not much unless Florida St. does something. Clemson might match USCar in recruiting performance at best.
Notre Dame is back. They will be very good as long as their coach keeps recruiting like he has done so far.
The SEC is Bama, Florida, TAM, LSU, Georgia, and USCar as long as Spurrier lasts.
The perennial powers in the various conferences don't change that much. The SEC is amazing with four legitimate perennial powers and two very strong programs in Georgia and USCar.
Nebraska will never recruit on a national level again, and Oklahoma is in decline having lost their foothold in Texas. Miami won't change until the present administration changes.
The biggest losers have been Miami, Nebraska, Florida St., Penn St., and maybe USC in the PAC-10 with an idiot as their coach.
The biggest winners have been LSU and TAM becoming perennial powers for the first time in their history, and Notre Dame with their new coach.
LSU has done it for a decade and TAM is just getting started.
Tennessee is in worse shape than Nebraska, Oklahoma, Miami, Florida St., or even Penn St.
They are buried with no recruiting base, and no hope of winning with Bama every year--good luck to their coach who will get fired after three years of losing to the big boys every year.
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 6:41 am
Posted on 6/7/13 at 7:04 am to Sheetbend
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The matchups between Saban and Cameron are going to be ones for the ages.
Ha.
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Eventually, some of the LSU fans could go balistic, and it could have tragic results.
:omg:
Posted on 6/7/13 at 7:39 am to Sheetbend
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The big-10 has been Ohio St. or Michigan forever. Wisconsin will never win a national championship In the Pac-10 It has been USC whenever they have a decent coach, and now Oregon since their Microsoft money man took interest, and maybe UCLA could become a factor with the right coach. Stanford has been good, but not great. the Big-12 looks like a disaster. It's Texas, Oklahoma, or nothing like last year. With TAM winning, Brown might not last much longer. Texas could pay Saban twice what bama pays him and not even feel it. That would hilarious if Saban went to Texas. the ACC is not much unless Florida St. does something. Clemson might match USCar in recruiting performance at best. Notre Dame is back. They will be very good as long as their coach keeps recruiting like he has done so far. The SEC is Bama, Florida, TAM, LSU, Georgia, and USCar as long as Spurrier lasts. The perennial powers in the various conferences don't change that much. The SEC is amazing with four legitimate perennial powers and two very strong programs in Georgia and USCar. Nebraska will never recruit on a national level again, and Oklahoma is in decline having lost their foothold in Texas. Miami won't change until the present administration changes. The biggest losers have been Miami, Nebraska, Florida St., Penn St., and maybe USC in the PAC-10 with an idiot as their coach. The biggest winners have been LSU and TAM becoming perennial powers for the first time in their history, and Notre Dame with their new coach. LSU has done it for a decade and TAM is just getting started. Tennessee is in worse shape than Nebraska, Oklahoma, Miami, Florida St., or even Penn St. They are buried with no recruiting base, and no hope of winning with Bama every year--good luck to their coach who will get fired after three years of losing to the big boys every year.
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How long have you been watching college football.
alot of your opinions above are based upon recent past, yet you have predetermined that that's they way it will be going forward. its pretty commical
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The SEC is Bama, Florida, TAM, LSU, Georgia, and USCar as long as Spurrier lasts.
You say this
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The perennial powers in the various conferences don't change that much
but include USCeand aTm.
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TAM becoming perennial powers
This was a good part as well. How many years have they dominated in recent history? 1? Dynasty in the making
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 7:42 am
Posted on 6/7/13 at 7:43 am to molsusports
This rotating uneven pod is way too confusing.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 7:56 am to Crompdaddy8
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this won't end
so far, you are right.
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