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re: SEC Schools CWUR World University Rankings 2018-2019
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:20 am to Farmer1906
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:20 am to Farmer1906
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She doesn’t come from money so she took the free ride instead of the superior education.
Would this prompt a shout of "phrasing!"?
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:22 am to iglass
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On the flip side, Texas has a law that requires all state schools to accept any Texas high school graduate who is in the top 10% of their class. This is problematic for many families. Say that Mom and Dad both met each other and graduated from U of Texas - little Suzy would LOVE to go to UT and be in mom's old sorority as a legacy. And Suzy is a great student at her high school in the Dallas suburbs - she has a 4.05 GPA and scored a 30 on her ACT. But... she actually ranked 80thth in her graduating class of 750. Juusssssst outside the top 10% of her class.
Meanwhile, Sam graduates with a 3.8GPA and a 25 on his ACT. But in a weird stroke of luck, Sam is the salutatorian of his class of 40 kids over at Westside Mineral Wells HS because that crazy shop teacher gave an F if you pulled the trunk of your elephant and your light didn't go on like Sam's did. SAM is able to get into Texas A&M. Suzy can't get admission into ANY of the major Texas state schools. And due to the population in Texas that is growing and booming, there are tons of smart kids there who simply can't get admitted into Texas colleges. The SEC schools - especially Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc - are telling Suzy's parents that they will gladly accept their check.
It's top 7 percent at UT Austin.
UT Austin prefers to limit enrollment and there are plenty of high-quality UT System schools that can educate them (Arlington, Dallas, Tyler, El Paso, San Antonio, etc.).
Aggy is hoarding all the oil money to pay their debts and letting their system schools rot on the vine. They are a diploma factory on the level of Central Florida (but aggy has good animal husbandry and engineering schools).
I mean, really? When is the last time you've seen the aggy outposts in Commerce, Canyon or Texarkana? A&M System schools suck.
UT Austin would prefer to rub elbows with Stanford or Harvard or Berkeley and be academically and athletically renowned while being in a really cool city, while aggy wants to hang out with the trashy fans of the SEC (cue aggy saying Waco, Austin, Lubbock, Fort Worth suck and slurp that SEC dick).
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:25 am to Smart Post
Well pretty much none of that is true.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:04 am to dcbl
Florida has really stepped it up. The campus is full of nerds and foreign kids now. It's why the Swamp isn't what it used to be. Certainly helps a resume though lol..that I don't use..cause I run my own company..and..well yea.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:14 am to Smart Post
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Cal-Austin would prefer to play tummy sticks with Stanford or Harvard or Berkeley while celebrating lack of masculinity
Fixth it for you, thweety.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 6:00 am to iglass
nice post, and you are correct; the situation for the TX schools is different
I had known that they had a similar deal; but not is so much detail
I am quite sure I do
perhaps I are not communicating well
If Auburn has 17K apply and accepts 14K; and Bama has 28K apply and accepts 14K (do not knpw the actual numbers for Bama) then "acceptance rate" means nothing. There are only so many spots. What matters are the admission standards, Right now, they are higher at AU, not by a lot, but they are a little higher. Scholly requirements are higher as well at AU.
So the 77% acceptence rate being used as a justification for AL being a better school academically is nonsense.
all schools do this to some degree; Bama has done a great job of this. That out of state tuition is critical.
I had known that they had a similar deal; but not is so much detail
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Alllllllrighty then. I'm not so sure you understand how this whole "rate" and percentage thing works.
I am quite sure I do
perhaps I are not communicating well
If Auburn has 17K apply and accepts 14K; and Bama has 28K apply and accepts 14K (do not knpw the actual numbers for Bama) then "acceptance rate" means nothing. There are only so many spots. What matters are the admission standards, Right now, they are higher at AU, not by a lot, but they are a little higher. Scholly requirements are higher as well at AU.
So the 77% acceptence rate being used as a justification for AL being a better school academically is nonsense.
quote:I understand; but higher standards for scholarship moneies from the school IS an indication of how selective a school can be.
The amount of scholarships offered has nothing to do with either acceptance rates or quality of education.
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They are certainly using this process for out-of-state students - who on average infuse money into our state economy in a big way.
all schools do this to some degree; Bama has done a great job of this. That out of state tuition is critical.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 7:04 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:03 am to iglass
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Alllllllrighty then. I'm not so sure you understand how this whole "rate" and percentage thing works.
I think he's more confused about how the market system works and how that might play into ratings.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:24 am to oman
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I think he's more confused about how the market system works and how that might play into ratings.
th only thing I am confused about is your jealousy; it's a really bad look for you guys showing that you can't be happy for Ole Miss to start getting academic acclaim...
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:44 am to dcbl
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th only thing I am confused about is your jealousy; it's a really bad look for you guys showing that you can't be happy for Ole Miss to start getting academic acclaim...
Don't get your panties in a wad, Nancy.
I have no idea how you linked my statement to UM.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 7:45 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:44 am to dcbl
UAB - 191
Alabama - 491
Auburn - 546
Sorry, but I'm not putting a lot of faith in this ranking system.
Alabama - 491
Auburn - 546
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Since 2016, the Center for World University Rankings is headquartered in the United Arab Emirates.
Sorry, but I'm not putting a lot of faith in this ranking system.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:49 am to oman
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I have no idea how you linked my statement to UM.
Hey, you're frustrated to see other schools receive worldwide recognition, I get it...
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:50 am to StringedInstruments
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Sorry, but I'm not putting a lot of faith in this ranking system.
From their site, you may have missed this:
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Since 2012, CWUR has been publishing the only academic ranking of global universities that assesses the quality of education, alumni employment, research output, and citations without relying on surveys and university data submissions.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:53 am to dcbl
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From their site, you may have missed this:
That doesn't really help me in trusting the rankings. It's highly suspect that UAB is hundreds of spots higher than Alabama and Auburn. This tells me that simply having a single respectable tertiary program can vault a university up the rankings. UAB's medical school is certainly a nationally recognized program, but its undergrad programs are extremely average. Certainly by no means higher ranked than Alabama or Auburn.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:53 am to dcbl
MiddleOfThePack U!
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:57 am to dcbl
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Since 2012, CWUR has been publishing the only academic ranking of global universities that assesses the quality of education, alumni employment, research output, and citations without relying on surveys and university data submissions.
To add, these are the criteria for the rankings:
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CWUR uses seven objective and robust indicators to rank the world's top 1000 universities:
1) Quality of Education, measured by the number of a university's alumni who have won major international awards, prizes, and medals relative to the university's size (15%)
2) Alumni Employment, measured by the number of a university's alumni who have held CEO positions at the world's top companies relative to the university's size (15%)
3) Quality of Faculty, measured by the number of academics who have won major international awards, prizes, and medals (15%)
4) Research Output, measured by the the total number of research papers (15%)
5) Quality Publications, measured by the number of research papers appearing in top-tier journals (15%)
6) Influence, measured by the number of research papers appearing in highly-influential journals (15%)
7) Citations, measured by the number of highly-cited research papers (10%)
A high quality education does not necessarily lead to world-renowned rewards. I'm not sure why that kind of competition is being assessed in determining the quality of a school's education.
Alumni employment = CEO of world renowned companies?
Quality of faculty = international awards?
This is like the OT putting together an assessment of the best universities in the world.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 7:58 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:57 am to StringedInstruments
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UAB is hundreds of spots higher than Alabama and Auburn.
But still lower than Georgia
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 7:59 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:58 am to Smart Post
We are your Daddy
Keep begging for our approval
Keep begging for our approval
Posted on 6/15/18 at 8:00 am to StringedInstruments
quote:I'm sorry that Auburn is not receiving international acclaim
A high quality education does not necessarily lead to world-renowned rewards.
Maybe next year
Posted on 6/15/18 at 8:06 am to dcbl
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I'm sorry that Auburn is not receiving international acclaim
Maybe next year
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Oh right. I ventured to the Rant. My bad.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 9:10 am to iglass
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Some Auburn dude:
Auburn has a higher acceptance rate because they have far fewer applicants,
iglass:
Alllllllrighty then. I'm not so sure you understand how this whole "rate" and percentage thing works.
Bruh. This is exactly how percentages work. Smaller denominator (that's the number on the bottom of the fraction and the number of students who submitted applications) means that the percentage is higher (unless, of course, the numerator increases a lot too...but presumably that's a pretty stable number since each school can only take so many students). So... Alabama gets 10 applicants but can only accept 5 (because of enrollment caps), then the acceptance rate is at 50%. Auburn also accepts 5 but only had 7 students apply (compared to Alabama's 10. So, Auburn's acceptance rate is roughly 70%.
I don't have time to look up the numbers on a more reputable site but it seems that about 36,000 students applied to Alabama to be in the class of 2021 (about 19,000 were accepted but certainly all of those didn't attend). Auburn had 19,000 applicants and 15,000 accepted.
(Some Auburn dude already explained this...but I'm hoping hearing it from multiple people and explained more than once will help you. Plus it felt good to be snarky and condescending. This is a message board, after all.)
Now...with that understanding in place let's go to your larger point...
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iglass:
Maybe Alabama is advertising for applicants because they are good at that "business stuff" and they see an opportunity.
IMHO, Research Dollars are often weighted far to heavily in these national rankings. JMHO.
Think about that for a minute. You're defending marketing over actual research production that can benefit the state (in terms of new knowledge, new practices, better-educated students who participate in this research). Sounds about right coming from an Alabama fan: appearances matter over everything else. When you consider the purpose of research universities, however, the number of applicants (popularity) should not be celebrated over research investments and outcomes.
Of course, UAB and UAH more than pick of their weight in research dollars. Which is of great, great benefit to the state. But, then I ask, what is the purpose of the school in Tuscaloosa? Sororities, football, and an outsized sense of importance?
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iglass:
They are certainly using this process for out-of-state students - who on average infuse money into our state economy in a big way. There are certainly pros and cons to this approach from a state citizen perspective, but nonetheless, it is easily arguable that the influx of cash is a good thing.
Now, I do think you've done a nice job here of at least raising one question that requires greater attention and discussion than it's getting. It's possible that UA can turn this tuition money into good (research and knowledgeable citizenry) for the state. However, if students from suburban Chicago and Atlanta who couldn't get into better schools come for the football and leave the state after getting a degree, that's not a great long term investment on the part of the university and the state.
P.S. I guess I should be fair and recognize that the classic tension between undergraduate education and graduate research is at play here (although, I'd argue that the image of a research professor who's a bad teacher is more a caricature than a demonstrable fact). And maybe that's where you're coming from. But your argument was about marketing and numbers of applicants (who had no shot of getting in), not about the quality of undergraduate learning. UAB gets high marks on this ranking list because research, publishing, and awards are prioritized. I don't think that's a terrible way to think about universities, which are economic engines. Certainly other ranking systems emphasize other attributes. But if all you have to hang your hat on is a bunch of suburban, out-of-state kids submitting applications because it seems cool...I'd take a hard look at the university you're celebrating.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 9:34 am
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