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re: SEC preparing anti-oversigning legislation for June meetings
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:26 pm to Tiger Authority
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:26 pm to Tiger Authority
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Why are you harping on paying them back?
Because you continuously stated your 5 year plan with repayment for failure to complete.
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If a person gets into UGA with high grades and an academic scholarship, and subsequently makes poor grades, they lose that scholarship and must foot the bill to remain at that university.
Yep. But they don't have to pay back that academic scholarship for the time they were on it. That's how a schollie works.
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If a football player makes it into UGA based on athletic prowess, subsequently fails to continue that athletic prowess at the university, they should have the chance that their scholarship no longer remains.
Yes.
As long as he is making satisfactory progress toward his degree and staying out of trouble.
Because that scholarship was to pay for his education.
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Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:27 pm to jatebe
By his argument, the school should have been obligated to keep your son on scholarship for 5 yrs, even if he failed every class in that time. It's the ethical thing to do. 
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:27 pm to jatebe
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This. My son got an academic scholarship, but lost it the next year because he didn't study. Had to take out loans. Why should athletes be different. Shouldn't they lose their scholarships if they don't play by the rules. Scholarships are one year deals.
It's also a good life lesson. When you get a job and you don't obey the rules, you'll lose the job.
The problem is that these are the kids that didn't work hard in the classroom and seek to blame anyone but themselves for their failures.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:27 pm to crimsonsaint
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Oh boo fricking hoo. If he wants a degree, he can earn it just like every other non-athlete. Get a job. Get student loans and pell grants. Join the military reserves and get a free education. Or here's a novel idea. Bust your arse in high school and get an academic scholarship. Don't rely on others to foot the bill for you.
Watch out crimsonsaint! He's gonna call you a fat, white, good ole boy for makin statements like that.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:29 pm to Alahunter
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By his argument, the school should have been obligated to keep your son on scholarship for 5 yrs, even if he failed every class in that time. It's the ethical thing to do.
Not at all.
Are there spelled out athletic requirements for keeping a scholarship at UA?
Does it implicity state that a player who isn't first or second team will have his schollie dropped on the LOI?
If it does, your argument is valid, if not, back to that danged ole ethics thing again.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:29 pm to Alahunter
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By his argument, the school should have been obligated to keep your son on scholarship for 5 yrs, even if he failed every class in that time. It's the ethical thing to do.
I liken this to the Texas top 10% problem. Kid from a small little school in west texas gets into UT because he was able to be a top 10% student while a kid at a huge 6A high school at a Houston school with a 3.99 can't get into UT because he's not top 10%.
The stupid kid should be allowed to stay at UT for however long it takes him to graduate even though he can't cut it academically, while the 3.99 kid is elsewhere crushing it in the classroom.
Off-topic somewhat.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:29 pm to Tiger Authority
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The problem is that these are the kids that didn't work hard in the classroom and seek to blame anyone but themselves for their failures.
Alright, right there, I agree.
If a student isn't making progress toward a degree and/or gets into trouble, yank his schollie.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:30 pm to smelvis
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Not at all.
Are there spelled out athletic requirements for keeping a scholarship at UA?
Seeing the field maybe. Actually making some production in some substantive way on the field. If not, the guy should just be a walk-on or go elsewhere.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:31 pm to Tiger Authority
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I liken this to the Texas top 10% problem. Kid from a small little school in west texas gets into UT because he was able to be a top 10% student while a kid at a huge 6A high school at a Houston school with a 3.99 can't get into UT because he's not top 10%.
The stupid kid should be allowed to stay at UT for however long it takes him to graduate even though he can't cut it academically, while the 3.99 kid is elsewhere crushing it in the classroom.
Off-topic somewhat
Agree on this, FWIW, but that's a hard subject to tackle.
Some type of testing, interview, IMO.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:32 pm to Tiger Authority
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Seeing the field maybe. Actually making some production in some substantive way on the field. If not, the guy should just be a walk-on or go elsewhere.
That's what I've been waiting for.
Yes!
So if he can't start or add solid PT, regardless of our schollie offer, cut him or make him a walk-on.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:32 pm to smelvis
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Are there spelled out athletic requirements for keeping a scholarship at UA?
What is the purpose of an athletic scholarship? It's not to maintain grades. The NCAA won't even allow someone that has the academic ability to be on an academic scholarship to have one if they are playing football. Oversigning is a needed and just tool for Universities to sustain the success of programs. Richt is proof of this. Because he chooses not to use the tools afforded him, he is failing and your program is failing. Again, you want college ball to be a welfare state. Punish the work of the hard workers who are successful in an attempt to cover up the inadequacies of your own program.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:32 pm to smelvis
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smelvis
Why do you keep talking about this paying a scholarship back crap? Nobody has seriously said that this should be how it works. I think one of the Bama posters said that the way you talked that thats the way it should be, and now you are arguing against it.
You have argued in this thread so much I dont think you even know what you are arguing for and against anymore.
As Hunter said earlier, you need to quit while your ahead. It's funny because when this started you at least had the barners and some of the LSU's posters behind you, but now you are the laughing stock of the entire thread.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:33 pm to Tiger Authority
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Why are you harping on paying them back? I'm harping on being able to keep them at all. If a person gets into UGA with high grades and an academic scholarship, and subsequently makes poor grades, they lose that scholarship and must foot the bill to remain at that university.
If a football player makes it into UGA based on athletic prowess, subsequently fails to continue that athletic prowess at the university, they should have the chance that their scholarship no longer remains.
Actually some kids on athletic scholarships are better off that the kids on academic scholarships.
If a kid on an athletic scholarship is hurt, he has the chance of getting on a medical scholarship which will give him the chance to complete his education and earn a degree, all for free.
Academic scholarships doesn't have this option.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:34 pm to Alahunter
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What is the purpose of an athletic scholarship? It's not to maintain grades. The NCAA won't even allow someone that has the academic ability to be on an academic scholarship to have one if they are playing football. Oversigning is a needed and just tool for Universities to sustain the success of programs. Richt is proof of this. Because he chooses not to use the tools afforded him, he is failing and your program is failing. Again, you want college ball to be a welfare state. Punish the work of the hard workers who are successful in an attempt to cover up the inadequacies of your own program.
That's what I was waiting on.
Two in a row.
The justification with regard to the purpose of the schollie while ignoring the ethics of the practice.
You even added the bonus of "Oversigning is a needed and just tool".
Yes!
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:34 pm to smelvis
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Agree on this, FWIW, but that's a hard subject to tackle.
Some type of testing, interview, IMO.
Then you should understand how coaches make similar mistakes when some players perform very well at the high school level and cannot recreate that success on the football field at the collegiate level. They should have be given the scholarship simply because of the coaches error, just as the academic scholar should not keep his/her scholarship when he/she fails in the classroom at the university level.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:34 pm to smelvis
You know that athletic scholarships because they are expected to compete on in a game, right? This is really news to you?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:35 pm to jatebe
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Actually some kids on athletic scholarships are better off that the kids on academic scholarships.
If a kid on an athletic scholarship is hurt, he has the chance of getting on a medical scholarship which will give him the chance to complete his education and earn a degree, all for free.
Academic scholarships doesn't have this option.
That's not the only benefit they receive.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:35 pm to smelvis
So now you agree with me that it's a just tool? I guess if you can't win an argument or have come to the realization that your argument was flawed, the best solution is to hilight what someone said, agree and say I win.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:37 pm to Tiger Authority
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Then you should understand how coaches make similar mistakes when some players perform very well at the high school level and cannot recreate that success on the football field at the collegiate level. They should have be given the scholarship simply because of the coaches error, just as the academic scholar should not keep his/her scholarship when he/she fails in the classroom at the university level.
I understand what you're saying.
I do.
But I think it perverts the intention of the scholarship system when you offer a kid a scholarship that will pay for his education, even if it's based on his athletic ability, and then pull that scholarship because he couldn't beat another guy for PT on the field.
Let's look at it like this.
You've got a son, he's a solid D1 prospect with offers from several schools. He signs with one, lingers at third string for a year, but has decent grades, is a good kid. And he loses his schollie so another kid can come in who might be better and contribute more to the football team.
What's your reaction?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:37 pm to Alahunter
why is oversigning such a big deal? wouldn't happen if kids would actually be students and good at football like it should be.
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