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re: SEC preparing anti-oversigning legislation for June meetings
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:07 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:07 pm to Alahunter
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It would be ethical for the student to pay back their full scholarship if they don't fulfill the obligations of getting their degree and staying the full five years.
How so, IYO?
Students receiving academic scholarships don't have to pay them back if they flunk out? Their deal is pretty much what I described. As long as you stay on solid academic footing, you have a free ride.
That was the original intention of academic schollies too, FWIW.
Paying them back wouldn't make them scholarships, would they?
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Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:08 pm to Tiger Authority
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What about the ethical implications of allowing athletes to get into schools they can't academically justify gaining entry to?
That's ok. Having a better team by following the rules and working harder is what's unethical.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:10 pm to smelvis
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Students receiving academic scholarships don't have to pay them back if they flunk out? Their deal is pretty much what I described. As long as you stay on solid academic footing, you have a free ride.
And by the same token.. if a student doesn't earn their ATHLETIC scholarship by their performance.. bye bye.. and it's given to someone that can. You just made the argument FOR oversigning and cutting players who are not earning their scholarship. Thanks.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:10 pm to smelvis
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Students receiving academic scholarships don't have to pay them back if they flunk out? Their deal is pretty much what I described. As long as you stay on solid academic footing, you have a free ride.
Academic scholarships don't require you to merely stay in school. You must meet certain academic requirements. They can't simply show up and make a 2.0 and keep the scholarship.
So why are the rules different for athletes at a school due to athletics? They should have to be a certain caliber athlete to maintain that scholarship.
It's only fair right?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:10 pm to Alahunter
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I think he has an axe to grind. I think that folks that continue to lose will use any argument they can to catch up, rather than do the hard work and make them relevent again. It's easier to cast dispersions than to actually earn something.
So you have no problem with the ethics of the practice?
Go team(s) I suppose then.
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Georgia is now falling into that trap. Georgia is becoming a welfare school of the SEC.
Again, how so, IYO?
UGA and Florida typically flip flop for the best academics of any public in the SEC.
How is that "becoming a welfare school"?
And in terms of athletics, it hasn't been a great year, but as with anything, it'll be our day again in the future.
And I'd rather do it the right way, and be sub-par, as bend the rules and screw kids to win, FWIW.
Look at Florida.
As much as it pains me to say it, they're pretty much doing it the right way.
And winning.
8 SECC's this year.
Wow.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:11 pm to Alahunter
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It would be ethical for the student to pay back their full scholarship if they don't fulfill the obligations of getting their degree and staying the full five years.
I notice that he keeps ignoring this.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:12 pm to Tiger Authority
I have skipped the last couple pages because I was busy at work but this bullshite about the good ole boy white network holds about as much water as Richt's jock strap.
Do you think that just because you had a black athletic director that UGA is on the cutting edge of the racial situation in this country? This is laughable that you really think you have a valid argument here.
Kids get scholarships based on their athletic ability to play football. They then come to school and hit the field.
If they prove themselves then they get to finish their college career out as planned, playing football and getting whatever education THEY CHOOSE. Totally up to them (unless the go to auburn and the coaching staff makes them change their degree to suit football).
If they dont prove themselves, then they get medical's, which means thehy dont play football, but they still get to finish out their degree, also in the field of their choosing.
Where the fat retarded white slobbering good ole boy drunkards, that you keep referring to, are making this unfair or unethical, I have yet to find.
So take your racist bigotry to the dawgrant where this shite is obviously being bred and keep it the hell out of here.
Do you think that just because you had a black athletic director that UGA is on the cutting edge of the racial situation in this country? This is laughable that you really think you have a valid argument here.
Kids get scholarships based on their athletic ability to play football. They then come to school and hit the field.
If they prove themselves then they get to finish their college career out as planned, playing football and getting whatever education THEY CHOOSE. Totally up to them (unless the go to auburn and the coaching staff makes them change their degree to suit football).
If they dont prove themselves, then they get medical's, which means thehy dont play football, but they still get to finish out their degree, also in the field of their choosing.
Where the fat retarded white slobbering good ole boy drunkards, that you keep referring to, are making this unfair or unethical, I have yet to find.
So take your racist bigotry to the dawgrant where this shite is obviously being bred and keep it the hell out of here.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:12 pm to Alahunter
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And by the same token.. if a student doesn't earn their ATHLETIC scholarship by their performance.. bye bye.. and it's given to someone that can. You just made the argument FOR oversigning and cutting players who are not earning their scholarship. Thanks.
Did I?
Are these institutions there for athletics?
Or academics?
What does the scholarship acutally pay for? The original intent behind athletic scholarships? Would you rather just pay them and put them on a right to work/play format?
That's essentially what you're saying.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:12 pm to smelvis
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UGA and Florida typically flip flop for the best academics of any public in the SEC.
How is that "becoming a welfare school"?
Because the overwhelming majority of these athletes would never meet the academic standards required to gain entry into these universities. Seems unethical. After all, this is a university for higher education first and foremost.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:13 pm to Tiger Authority
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Academic scholarships don't require you to merely stay in school. You must meet certain academic requirements. They can't simply show up and make a 2.0 and keep the scholarship.
So why are the rules different for athletes at a school due to athletics? They should have to be a certain caliber athlete to maintain that scholarship.
It's only fair right?
I'm well aware of the requirements of academic scholarships since I have 3 degrees and have never paid a dime for any of them.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:13 pm to smelvis
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Did I?
Are these institutions there for athletics?
Or academics?
What does the scholarship acutally pay for? The original intent behind athletic scholarships? Would you rather just pay them and put them on a right to work/play format?
That's essentially what you're saying.
Not shocked that you miss the point. The intent isn't important. Academic scholarships still require maintaining that scholarship with academic performance. Just as an athletic scholarship should be met with some sort of athletic performance.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:14 pm to Tiger Authority
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Not shocked that you miss the point. The intent isn't important. Academic scholarships still require maintaining that scholarship with academic performance. Just as an athletic scholarship should be met with some sort of athletic performance
Okay, so take out academics, let the schollies be purely based on athletic performance?
Why not just pay them and make it a minor league for the NFL?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:14 pm to smelvis
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I'm well aware of the requirements of academic scholarships since I have 3 degrees and have never paid a dime for any of them.
So distinguish my example. I don't give a shite how many degrees you have.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:15 pm to smelvis
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I'm well aware of the requirements of academic scholarships since I have 3 degrees and have never paid a dime for any of them
Now its three degrees? did you just get another one since you started? I can post your post claiming 2 degrees if you like.
Also, Vandy would be the Top, not UF or UGA
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:16 pm to jatebe
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I notice that he keeps ignoring this.
Not at all.
But doing such would remove scholarships from the realm of scholarship.
What is the problem with simply honoring the scholarship?
Would it have too big an effect on the fooooball team's performance?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:16 pm to smelvis
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Okay, so take out academics, let the schollies be purely based on athletic performance?
Why not just pay them and make it a minor league for the NFL?
I'm drawing an analogy. You're either purposefully missing the point because it erodes your own, or your three degrees didn't help you must regarding understanding such things.
If an academic scholarship still requires a certain minimum academic performance, why should an athletic scholarship not requires some baseline level of performance as well that involves more than simply showing up? Seems unfair to have different standards.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:16 pm to smelvis
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Students receiving academic scholarships don't have to pay them back if they flunk out? Their deal is pretty much what I described. As long as you stay on solid academic footing, you have a free ride.
And by the same token, an athlete has to stay on solid athletic footing to keep their scholly too. If they don't, or can't then someone else will.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:16 pm to jatebe
Because it destroys his argument. Just like he's trying to use Fla's 8 SEC titles this year to somehow justify the football discussion, even though none of them were in football.
If he wants oversigning gone. Fine. Make the scholarships 5 yrs. Make the students attend and play for the full 5 yrs. If they leave, they must pay back the cost of their schooling for not completing their obligations. Simple. Except there will never be a 5 yr scholarship and "oversigning" will continue. Because you will always have injured players (medical scholarship), those that flunk out, those that transfer and a host of other reasons and schools will always need to have the opportunity to sign more than the allotted 85.
If things were to go back to being fair, they would do away with scholarship limits and let students go to any college of their choice. But alas, it would lead back to schools like Georgia whining that the better schools were taking all the good players, even though the choice would be the students.
If he wants oversigning gone. Fine. Make the scholarships 5 yrs. Make the students attend and play for the full 5 yrs. If they leave, they must pay back the cost of their schooling for not completing their obligations. Simple. Except there will never be a 5 yr scholarship and "oversigning" will continue. Because you will always have injured players (medical scholarship), those that flunk out, those that transfer and a host of other reasons and schools will always need to have the opportunity to sign more than the allotted 85.
If things were to go back to being fair, they would do away with scholarship limits and let students go to any college of their choice. But alas, it would lead back to schools like Georgia whining that the better schools were taking all the good players, even though the choice would be the students.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:16 pm to NYCAuburn
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Now its three degrees? did you just get another one since you started? I can post your post claiming 2 degrees if you like.
Yep.
Just finished my MA and getted graduated lass week.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:17 pm to Tiger Authority
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If an academic scholarship still requires a certain minimum academic performance, why should an athletic scholarship not requires some baseline level of performance as well that involves more than simply showing up? Seems unfair to have different standards.
Because athletic scholarships are a means to pay for an education perhaps?
How is that lost in this argument?
Go foooozball though.
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