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Posted on 4/14/13 at 8:28 pm to WAOMrebears
Posted on 4/14/13 at 8:28 pm to WAOMrebears
concerning what you think, OP...
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Posted on 4/14/13 at 8:29 pm to WAOMrebears
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People who think North Carolina or Duke is leaving the ACC is mentally retarded. The ACC is not falling apart. If anything its growing with gaining Louiville, Syracuse, and Pittsburg. Way too much history between them and the ACC and between each other.
No, the ACC is not falling apart. That's why the IF word was used. The Big X has designs on the AAU schools in the ACC and that poses a slight possibility for more realignment to come.
IF the ACC became unstable, I can see the Kingpins, UNC and Duke, seeking SEC membership. They would fit perfectly into the goals of the SEC presidents and Commissioner Slive.
Posted on 4/14/13 at 8:33 pm to WAOMrebears
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WAOMrebears
Shitty troll alter is shitty
Posted on 4/14/13 at 8:33 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Which is why they will not be targets by the SEC. It's about TV markets, not teams.
Some few schools, including UNC and Duke represent national markets. They would bring far more viewers to the SEC than would VT and/or NC State.
Posted on 4/14/13 at 8:42 pm to Kentucker
Thinking its crazy for UNC or Duke to leave the ACC is trolling? No thats common sense.
Posted on 4/14/13 at 8:48 pm to Kentucker
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Some few schools, including UNC and Duke represent national markets. They would bring far more viewers to the SEC than would VT and/or NC State.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not talking about a particular team's national recognition, I'm talking about TV sets in regional locations.
The SEC would not want two teams in the same city, it's the same TV markets and the idea is to expand to more locals. It has little to do with the teams themselves.
Look at Missouri. They bring almost nothing to the SEC table as a program, but they have a huge TV audience to draw from in St. Louis and Kansas City area, that expands the footprint of the SEC. Why did the SEC target A&M, for the same reason, to get into Texas.
A Virginia school would have SEC reach into Washington/Maryland/Virginia, and a North Carolina team would do the same in Charlotte and throughout NC.
It's the same reason the SEC won't go after a Florida State. Great athletics, but the market is already in the SEC footprint.
This post was edited on 4/14/13 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:37 am to danfraz
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And grow up. Missouri and the ags are in so move on already
This.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:57 am to Bamatab
Cmon man win something before you talk smack about a&m and mizzou. Its not like ole miss has added competition since eli was around.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:28 am to DMagic
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He's not an OM fan he's an alter. Jesus Christ
Exactly. Ole Miss fans aren't going to talk crap when they have NEVER beaten A&M ever.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:30 am to cardboardboxer
We've only played them 5 times EVER genius
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:34 am to Kentucker
The ACC IS falling apart, they only thing keeping it together right now is the insane penalty for leaving which Maryland is suing to get reduced. They signed a terrible TV contract and have 4 NC schools, it just isn't a conference built to last.
Why did Maryland leave? They were almost bankrupt as an AD and losing sports every year. FSU is in far worse shape. Clemson, NC State, GTech, and VTech are falling miles behind the SEC schools in their states. UVA is looking around and can't recognize the elite academic conference it used to belong to anymore.
UVA is also the most valuable target out there outside of Notre Dame and Texas, even more valuable than UNC. UVA is the best public school on the East Coast and whatever conference has it will receive a major bump in prestige, it's Berkeley, Michigan, and UVA at the top of the Publics and they all wield incredible power. It has a massive endowment and extremely wealthy and powerful alumni. It has a very well rounded AD. It is mediocre in football but that is simply about lack of will. If UVA chose to it could be a Top 15 program within a few years because it has RESOURCES. Resources are king. It also delivers the Virginia and DC markets. Even if UVA never fielded a competitive football team their value in TV markets and academics (not counting their minor sports which are very solid) makes them a no brainer addition.
Oh, and if the SEC gets UVA then UNC is a fait accompli. UNC would much rather stick with UVA than Duke when the rubber meets the road.
Realignment is all about the future, current athletic standings are almost irrelevant because teams rise and fall all the time.
Why did Maryland leave? They were almost bankrupt as an AD and losing sports every year. FSU is in far worse shape. Clemson, NC State, GTech, and VTech are falling miles behind the SEC schools in their states. UVA is looking around and can't recognize the elite academic conference it used to belong to anymore.
UVA is also the most valuable target out there outside of Notre Dame and Texas, even more valuable than UNC. UVA is the best public school on the East Coast and whatever conference has it will receive a major bump in prestige, it's Berkeley, Michigan, and UVA at the top of the Publics and they all wield incredible power. It has a massive endowment and extremely wealthy and powerful alumni. It has a very well rounded AD. It is mediocre in football but that is simply about lack of will. If UVA chose to it could be a Top 15 program within a few years because it has RESOURCES. Resources are king. It also delivers the Virginia and DC markets. Even if UVA never fielded a competitive football team their value in TV markets and academics (not counting their minor sports which are very solid) makes them a no brainer addition.
Oh, and if the SEC gets UVA then UNC is a fait accompli. UNC would much rather stick with UVA than Duke when the rubber meets the road.
Realignment is all about the future, current athletic standings are almost irrelevant because teams rise and fall all the time.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:38 am to aggressor
Well said and succinct summary sir
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:55 am to Bama Bird
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But you guys have been here since the beginning so we can't kick you out now
You're goddamn right.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 11:47 am to kywildcatfanone
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not talking about a particular team's national recognition, I'm talking about TV sets in regional locations.
I understand your point. It's from the "increase the footprint" perspective. There's more to it than that, however. The SEC has virtually cornered the college football market with existing teams. There is absolutely no need to first seek out elite football schools. We have plenty
The SEC presidents have established SECU, an academics oriented consortium meant to eventually compete with the Big X's CIC for research dollars. That is the precise reason the SEC aggressively went after Mizzou when A&M, an elite academics school, applied for membership.
Several lesser schools would already be members if this caveat was not in place. It is the goal of the SEC presidents and the schools' boards of regents to elevate the academic standing of the conference as a whole.
We currently have four AAU schools. Georgia, Auburn and Alabama could apply for membership now and would probably be strongly considered; especially UGA. UK, LSU, UT, USC and Arky have work to do but could be ready in about 20-25 years.
If UVA, UNC, Duke or any other southern AAU school not already in an "SEC" state applied for membership, they would be snatched up as fast as was Texas A&M and Mizzou. Of course, a great athletic program would have almost as much weight as academics.
My point is that future SEC expansion will target first those schools with great academics with athletics as a distinct second consideration.
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