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re: SEC conference titles revisited
Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:47 pm to JETigER
Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:47 pm to JETigER
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Tulane and Georgia Tech?
Bama fans don't know how to count mythical national championships or SEC championships
You trying to say Tulane and Georgia Tech didn't win SEC championships?
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Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:07 am to anothergumper
It's fricking BS. The 84 title was vacated after the fact by the presidents of the SEC (UT started the shite out of nowhere). Probably because we had never won one and they could see the train a coming. We also weren't allowed to claim the 90 title which we won because of 2 stupid little violations which were minor. So I am using Bama math and count 10.
As far as Bama fans calling Pell out for cheating, he played for Bryant and was a graduate assistant for him. Where do you think he learned it? We just didn't have it perfected like Bama.
Yeah, I mad.
As far as Bama fans calling Pell out for cheating, he played for Bryant and was a graduate assistant for him. Where do you think he learned it? We just didn't have it perfected like Bama.
Yeah, I mad.
Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:12 am to bigDgator
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As far as Bama fans calling Pell out for cheating, he played for Bryant and was a graduate assistant for him. Where do you think he learned it? We just didn't have it perfected like Bama.
Pretty much all the guys that coached under Bear and went on to major head coaching positions got busted for cheating: Pell, Dye, Sherrill, Stallings. And I am sure I am missing several.
Bear was the godfather of serious cheating in the NCAA. However bama had the systems in place to cover it up and not get caught (you can go back to the 20s, 30s, 40s and find documentation of it). So maybe bama is the godfather of cheating in the NCAA and bear just continued the tradition. Hard to say. Sorta chicken vs egg type question.
Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:22 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:0 NCAA infractions under Bryant.
Bear was the godfather of serious cheating in the NCAA
Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:27 am to TT9
You know it is true though. 
Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:33 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Stallings wasn't the one who cheated. He didn't sign that bar napkin in New Orleans, that was Langham and Langham alone. He then proceeded to lie about signing the napkin when word got to Stallings and Stallings had no choice but to take Langham at his word.
Where Stallings screwed up was with his handling of the NCAA investigators. The sanctions wouldn't have been as bad had he not lost his cool and kicked the investigators out of the athletic building. That was a dumb move.
Where Stallings screwed up was with his handling of the NCAA investigators. The sanctions wouldn't have been as bad had he not lost his cool and kicked the investigators out of the athletic building. That was a dumb move.
Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:35 am to RollTide1987
That is not entirely accurate and it was more than signing a napkin, but I know that is sorta the bama take that has developed (sorta like an urban legend(. So, I'll leave it be. 
Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:38 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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So, I'll leave it be.
Good. We wouldn't want you to lose what little credibility you have left now, would we?
Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:40 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Should keep it.
Yep. 'Vacating' wins is just stupid.
What happened on the field happened.
Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:44 am to RollTide1987
You know, thinking about it, the "napkin signing" is sorta the urban legend about the Stallings probation. It was a LOT more than that, Stallings covered stuff up, players got paid etc.
But the urban legend is "langham signed a napkin and stallings kicked some ncaa investigators out of his office".
It is sorta interesting to contrast that with AU's probation under Dye.
Urban legend is Dye was busted for paying players, the 60 minute tapes had evidence of Dye admitting to paying players and gauranteeing loans for them, and Dye told players to "keep it down home cuz".
In reality the tapes did not implicate Dye. The Only recording that involved Dye was Ramsey asking for help getting a loan and Dye not saying much of anything, just listening. And Blakeney, the WR coach said keep it down home cuz. And the probation was not for paying players. It was for Colonial bank giving loans to a handful of players based on their future earnings potential in the NFL.
I think the alabama media being primarily composed of bama grads (due to bama being the only school in the state with a journalism department and program), has played a role in softening the reporting on one while going the other direction on the other.
But the urban legend is "langham signed a napkin and stallings kicked some ncaa investigators out of his office".
It is sorta interesting to contrast that with AU's probation under Dye.
Urban legend is Dye was busted for paying players, the 60 minute tapes had evidence of Dye admitting to paying players and gauranteeing loans for them, and Dye told players to "keep it down home cuz".
In reality the tapes did not implicate Dye. The Only recording that involved Dye was Ramsey asking for help getting a loan and Dye not saying much of anything, just listening. And Blakeney, the WR coach said keep it down home cuz. And the probation was not for paying players. It was for Colonial bank giving loans to a handful of players based on their future earnings potential in the NFL.
I think the alabama media being primarily composed of bama grads (due to bama being the only school in the state with a journalism department and program), has played a role in softening the reporting on one while going the other direction on the other.
This post was edited on 11/30/12 at 8:47 am
Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:50 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
84 Gators were awesome. Charlie Pell had cheated his arse of though LSU took their spot in the Sugar Bowl that year....
LSU took their spot in the Sugar Bowl that year....Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:50 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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It was a LOT more than that, Stallings covered stuff up, players got paid etc.
Whether this is true or not that's not what the NCAA busted Alabama for. It had everything to do with Antonio Langham. And yes, Stallings was very hard on the NCAA investigators. This has been confirmed by people who were actually present. Stallings has come out and said in recent years had he known how serious the nature of the allegations were, he might have been a little more patient.
The NCAA forfeited every single game Langham played in in 1993. The only one they didn't forfeit was the bowl game, a game in which he did not play in. So if the investigation was about more than just Langham, the NCAA sure didn't act like it when they passed final judgment.
This post was edited on 11/30/12 at 8:52 am
Posted on 11/30/12 at 9:12 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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You know, thinking about it, the "napkin signing" is sorta the urban legend about the Stallings probation. It was a LOT more than that, Stallings covered stuff up, players got paid etc.
But the urban legend is "langham signed a napkin and stallings kicked some ncaa investigators out of his office".
It is sorta interesting to contrast that with AU's probation under Dye.
Urban legend is Dye was busted for paying players, the 60 minute tapes had evidence of Dye admitting to paying players and gauranteeing loans for them, and Dye told players to "keep it down home cuz".
In reality the tapes did not implicate Dye. The Only recording that involved Dye was Ramsey asking for help getting a loan and Dye not saying much of anything, just listening. And Blakeney, the WR coach said keep it down home cuz. And the probation was not for paying players. It was for Colonial bank giving loans to a handful of players based on their future earnings potential in the NFL.
I think the alabama media being primarily composed of bama grads (due to bama being the only school in the state with a journalism department and program), has played a role in softening the reporting on one while going the other direction on the other.
There's also the whole interview with Terry Bowden deal in which he outlined the payment system to players that Dye instituted and was running rampant when he took the AU job. Very nice read and great insight in to just how far the AU program had become corrupt. Coaches on staff, not rogue boosters, paying players.
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