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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:23 pm to
I've watched UK a lot this year, and again, he's a tier 1 defender. He's huge and athletic.

I guess we will see in the NCAA tourney. If he's coming off of ball screens and switching and guarding elite PGs, and doing it well, I'd be happy to eat crow. But I don't think it will happen.
Posted by hoojy
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:23 pm to
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idc how upset either of those statements make you or Mr. Louisville athlete who is a fan of UK


Not upset at all. Just linking articles that disagree with your statement that he can guard pgs ridiculous.
Posted by ChargerDog91
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:25 pm to
You're completely missing the point of the "switch". This "switch" is a drop by the big to stop the player coming off the screen. He slows down the guard enough to allow his defender to get around the screen. He isn't guarding the player for an extended amount of time. Any competent big man can rotate down off the screen to help his fellow guard get back in the play. To say a player can guard 1-5 because he can rotate on a ball screen is ludicrous and shows how truly ignorant some are on this board about basketball.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:25 pm to
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hoojy


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Again nobody is saying he can guard any 1. But he can the ones w/o elite quickness


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hoojy


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Willie can guard 1-5. How many people can do that?


don't backpedal if you believe it
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:26 pm to
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Just linking articles that disagree with your statement that he can guard pgs ridiculous.


which PGs? You can't seem to decide.

and guarding a PG is a lot different than picking one up on a screen.
Posted by hoojy
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:28 pm to
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which PGs? You can't seem to decide.



Already been stated. He can guard the ones w/o elite quickness. On screen switching of course, not guarding the whole game.

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and guarding a PG is a lot different than picking one up on a screen.


How many centers get blown by even average quickness pgs even on screen switching.
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted by ChargerDog91
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:29 pm to
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How many centers get blown by even average quickness pgs even on screen switching


Most that play college basketball don't. It's not called screen switching either. It's help defense.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:29 pm to
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I've watched UK a lot this year, and again, he's a tier 1 defender. He's huge and athletic.


Absolutely. His lateral movement has improved quite a bit despite the ankle injury too.

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I guess we will see in the NCAA tourney. If he's coming off of ball screens and switching and guarding elite PGs, and doing it well, I'd be happy to eat crow. But I don't think it will happen.


He did well against some pretty good guards against Kansas, Louisville, Texas (similar in size as well), etc. So I'm not sure what it is you're not seeing that a lot of folks point out mid-game on top of everything else. It's one of the big things NBA scouts have been harping about as well.

FWIW, I wouldn't have an issue with Mickey getting it but that doesn't mean I think WCS is any less deserving. I think anyone complaining about Mickey being "robbed" is just following stat lines.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:31 pm to
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Already been stated. He can guard the ones w/o elite quickness.



Yea, you said it after multiple people said you were being ridiculous saying he could guard 1-5. I don't think LSU has a guard with 'elite quickness' but would be very pleased if I saw him at half court trying to face guard any PGs for LSU.

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How many centers get blown by even average quickness pgs even on screen switching.



Where have I compared him to average centers? I've stated like 4 times now that he is "tier 1" or "elite" at defending. What else do you want me to say at this point?
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:31 pm to
What you just stated is what is different about Willie and why Kentucky's defense is so hard to break down.

They actually switch like if it was 2 guards in the pick and roll
Posted by hoojy
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:31 pm to
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Most that play college basketball don't. It's not called screen switching either. It's help defense.


It is when our pg gets stuck with the other guy, leaving Willie on the 1.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:33 pm to
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You're completely missing the point of the "switch".


Eh, not really. He's picking up guys off the screen instead of having to slow them down for the other defender to catch up. He's not helping, he's literally picking up the player and following through on the defense all the way to the basket in most cases (a lot of times resulting in the block).

What you're talking about is what typically happens when you don't have a big man who can guard a guard straight up.
Posted by hoojy
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:33 pm to
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Where have I compared him to average centers? I've stated like 4 times now that he is "tier 1" or "elite" at defending. What else do you want me to say at this point?



Where did i say you did? I said Willie guarding average quickness point guards.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:33 pm to
I have seen him play really well vs elite competition. But there is still a difference in picking someone up off a screen and straight up guarding someone. He could not line up and guard a PG or SG who is coming off of off-the-ball screens, curls, flairs, running in transition etc..

it's just not the same thing
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:35 pm to
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He could not line up and guard a PG or SG who is coming off of off-the-ball screens, curls, flairs, running in transition etc..


Except he does. That's what we're saying. It's what has made his defense unique this season.
Posted by Arksulli
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:35 pm to
I'm just happy Willie will be taking his talents to the NBA God willing. Kentucky has a ton of talented players, but he is a nightmare on defense.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:36 pm to
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Where did i say you did?


well you asked me a question about 'average centers'. What point were you trying to make then?
Posted by ChargerDog91
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:37 pm to
It's still not proof of being able to straight up guard 1-5. As long as he is able to move his feet he should still be able to play competent defense on the switch because he'd already have separation because of the screen.
Posted by hoojy
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:37 pm to
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well you asked me a question about 'average centers'. What point were you trying to make then?


Average quickness pgs, not average centers.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:38 pm to
I'll agree to watch him in particular vs good teams in the tourney. I'll be there (SEC).

And I have never seen him line up and defend a guard without it being a switch situation. That would not be very smart of Cal, who is an expert when it comes to scouting
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 12:39 pm
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