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Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:14 pm to Monticello
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:14 pm to Monticello
I bet Saban implements some of the HUNH concepts as a wrinkle/package for situational play soon, as will most coaches pro and college alike.
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:15 pm to WDE24
He already has. See: Georgia and auburn games last year.
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:15 pm to Monticello
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Yep. It's a perfectly legal scheme designed to give less talented teams a chance against bigger schools who can recruit NFL caliber front 7's. If you speed up the game and can throw quick passes and use misdirection runs, you can tire those big linemen and take them out of the game. It makes it a battle of QB and WR's v. CB's and safeties which is much easier to win than 11 on 11 against a better team. I have no issue with it because I don't really see it as a threat to the traditional powers. When is the last time a team using this offense won a national title besides Auburn? The best way to stop it is to use a traditional offense yourself and grind down the clock until the opposing defense is puking all over the field in the 4th quarter.
We will see how the NFL does with it. Those NFL caliber front 7s may look differently if Kelly is successful. It has nothing to do with talent,it is the type of talent that makes a difference. Those 5 star fat lineman are not very effective sucking O2 on the sideline in the fourth quarter. That is what has Saban worried.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:16 pm to DocEllis
The key here is not the "no huddle".
It's the "hurry up" part.
Saban thinks his 5 star guys need a break.
It's the "hurry up" part.
Saban thinks his 5 star guys need a break.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:16 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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They found a loophole. Well good for them I guess but it's time to close the loophole.
I don't think there needs to be a rule change. Defenses will adjust to it, and at the end of the day, it is still the power, grind the clock style of offense that is winning nearly every national title. The HUNH just gives a team like Baylor a shot at going 8-4.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:18 pm to DocEllis
quote:No thanks.
See: auburn games last year.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:19 pm to cas4t
I'm aware of the differences. I don't care at all about this issue. And you can spin it however you want, but as much as fans hate it, player safety will be the most important factor in how the game will look in the future. There are major class action lawsuits in motion against both the ncaa and nfl which the leagues are extremely concerned about. You can argue that saban is exploiting that to his own advantage, I would counter with more power to him. But it's naive to think the "player safety" issue is a straw man, or about pointless "pussification of football." It's a real issue that is going nowhere.
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:20 pm to DocEllis
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I'm aware of the differences. I don't care at all about this issue. And you can spin it however you want, but as much as fans hate it, player safety will be the most important factor in how the game will look in the future. There are major class action lawsuits in motion against both the ncaa and nfl that the leagues are extremely concerned about that. You can argue that saban is exploiting that to his own advantage, I would counter with more power to him. But it's naive to think the "player safety" issue is a straw man, or about pointless pussing cation of football. It's a real issue that is going nowhere.
Eh i think that confuses the issue. The lawsuits you mention are typically concussion related. And running fast doesn't cause concussions.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:21 pm to WDE24
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Sounds like a player safety issue. Maybe the HUNH should be mandatory.
The player safety argument is BS. Bielema and Saban just know that the NCAA seems willing to do nearly anything in the name of player safety, no matter how illogical it is. I really don't think Saban is going to be saying much more on the issue though. He is mostly just responding to questions, not going on some player safety crusade as a recruiting pitch like Bielema. Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:22 pm to piggidyphish
quote:The counter argument is that repetitive head to head contact, not necessarily the few hard hits, causes brain damage over time.
And running fast doesn't cause concussions.
However, the HUNH really isn't the issue then, if we are going down that road, the whole game of football and having a line of scrimmage becomes an issue.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I mean I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Auburn and Ole Miss people are all about this. It's the only way they can compete.
I mean, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that LSU and Bama fans are all mad about this. It can beat them and that's neaux fun!
See? Sweeping generalizations can be fun!! ;)
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:24 pm to piggidyphish
The more plays in a game, the more collisions there are. I'm not arguing against the HUNH which I enjoy watching, but those are facts. Questions about shortening the game in different ways in the name of player safety will be on the table. It's naive to think otherwise and it would happen whether saban brings it up or not.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:24 pm to WDE24
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I bet Saban implements some of the HUNH concepts as a wrinkle/package for situational play soon, as will most coaches pro and college alike.
Very likely. In fact he already has. I forget the game, but I remember McElroy coming out in 5 wide HUNH to start the first drive of the game against someone. Worked pretty well. It will never be Saban's base offense but it can be very effective to throw a defense off for one drive.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:27 pm to DocEllis
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The more plays in a game, the more collisions there are
I don't think you wnat to go down this road...because if that's the reason for the "player safety" prong of this argument then where does it stop, and why only start with ultimately what would ammount to very little change in the grand scheme of making it as safe as possible?
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:27 pm to Irons Puppet
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We will see how the NFL does with it. Those NFL caliber front 7s may look differently if Kelly is successful. It has nothing to do with talent,it is the type of talent that makes a difference. Those 5 star fat lineman are not very effective sucking O2 on the sideline in the fourth quarter. That is what has Saban worried.
Very good point. We may actually see a shift back to 215 lb LB's and 260 lb DL. Then some "offensive revolutionary" will come along and come up with this crazy offense with a FB and TE that pounds the ball up the middle every play with 320 pound offensive linemen.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:28 pm to WDE24
I don't like 72-68 games. I like to see two teams line up and play football. The HUNH just tries to cheap shot the defense before they're ready. I like football as a play-by-play game of chess and skill. The HUNH takes some of that away (when it works).
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:29 pm to Monticello
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I don't think there needs to be a rule change. Defenses will adjust to it
I'm not asking for a rule change. And Saban is already getting faster more agile defensive linemen to help with the HUNH. Defenses will adjust. I'm glad I'm a fan of a team that has the most ability to overcome.
Btw I've been watching ESPN and CFL all day. They're putting on coach after coach to basically share their opinions of what Saban said. I hope he feels like all of CFB is against him. Many of these
will ensue.Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:29 pm to Teague
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I don't like 72-68 games. I like to see two teams line up and play football. The HUNH just tries to cheap shot the defense before they're ready. I like football as a play-by-play game of chess and skill. The HUNH takes some of that away (when it works).
You chose the right team to follow then...but why can't others have it a different way? This field not big enough for the both of us?
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:30 pm to Irons Puppet
Funny, he never whined so much when he was at LSU.
Maybe Bama's fan base is rubbing off on him - I understand they like to do that to people.
Maybe Bama's fan base is rubbing off on him - I understand they like to do that to people.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:31 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Maybe Bama's fan base is rubbing off on him - I understand they like to do that to people
since i dont' fall into this category maybe i can say 'avoid the bait' without taking the bait.
or does this fall into whinning about whinning category?
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 3:32 pm
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