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re: Rumor on the Twitters that Milroe pulled a hamstring in practice yesterday
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:08 pm to Shaft Williams
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:08 pm to Shaft Williams
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I think Milroe is worse than Hurts at Bama b/c Hurts at least took care of the ball.
I think Hurts is better than Milroe because he won 2 SEC Championships and a B12 Championship while taking his teams to the Playoff in all of those years. Now he is a stud QB in the NFL. He was only replaced because Bama had an even bigger stud on the bench who is also a stud in the NFL.
Milroe has a bit of work to do to catch up.
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:08 pm to aggressor
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Jimbo Fisher's a pretty dumb guy when it comes to football and his dumbness is really the only thing Alabama can count on to win this game.
Sucks for you that Petrino is calling the plays now then.
And Jimbo's helmet headed enough to override him. Right under the surface, you frickin' know it too.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:09 pm to Pandy Fackler
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All those guys I listed were straight up ballers, right out of the gate. They were not always good quarterbacks but they were always good football players with excellent instincts for the game and it's that part of it, numbers and percentages can't measure. Try and recall what you saw in those years versus what you can tabulate and you might have different thoughts on it.
Greg McElroy was a baller out of the gate
? Jake Coker was a baller out of the gate
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Try and recall what you saw in those years versus what you can tabulate and you might have different thoughts on it.
Hmmm I remember visibly watching Nick Saban give up on letting Greg McElroy throw the football in the 2nd half against a 6 loss South Carolina team at home because he was so feeble and so bad and so turnover prone that he was going to single handidly lose the football game. I'm assuming you remember that, right? The game where we basically just handed the game over to Mark Ingram in the wildcat and begged him to save us? I was sitting there in the endzone. Greg couldn't throw a ball 15 yards, couldn't read the defense and was played like he was terrified to even be on the field.
Then, the coaching staff was so terrified he'd lose the game that they only let him throw out routes and check downs against Tennessee, which also almost cost us a game, considering we scored 12 points.
And finally, I remember him leading the offense to this shining output against LSU in the 1st half:
- Punt
- Punt
- Punt
- Field Goal
- Punt
- Interception (and my gawd was it an awful interception)
Luckily Julio Jones saved his arse by taking a WR screen 80 yards to the house.
So yea, my eyes remember Greg as being an absolute major frickin liability in 2009. We won games because we had a great defense and an elite running game. We didn't win shite because of anything Greg did, and he almost ruined it for us with his inept efforts on multiple occasions. If 2009 Greg had been the QB in 2021 or 2022 we'd have gone 8-4 or 7-5. If he was the QB this year we'd be in just as much trouble as we are now. Not until his one shining moment against Florida did Greg ever play like a guy with "great instincts". He played like a high school spread QB whose only other major power 5 offer was Texas Tech and was only playing QB because we didn't have any other options.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:14 pm to Pastor Mike
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Sucks for you that Petrino is calling the plays now then.
Out of curiosity - has Petrino EVER beaten Saban?
He didn't lose because of play calling, he lost because of talent and defense. He doesn't have to worry about either of those things.
The question I responded to was Jimbo making dumb playcalls with Johnson. Carry on though...
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Julio Jones saved his arse by taking a WR screen 80 yards to the house.
One of my favorite plays of all time.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:15 pm to laxtonto
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I can this game too…
I am hearing Max is hurt… Did I do it right?
I am assuming Milroe is playing.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:16 pm to aggressor
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He didn't lose because of play calling, he lost because of talent and defense
Well that isn't true. We absolutely smothered Petrino's offenses in his Arkansas era unlike anybody else. We made their offense look silly in 2009 when they ran up and down the field on everyone else, and that was an Alabama defense filled with 3-stars and Shula dudes.
Doesn't really matter now, we're not the same as we were then and Petrino runs different stuff.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:17 pm to laxtonto
Aggie sources aren’t the ones tweeting about your qb….
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:17 pm to Shaft Williams
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I think Milroe is worse than Hurts at Bama b/c Hurts at least took care of the ball.
He also has less awareness of the pass rush than Hurts which leads to unnecessary sacks given his athletic ability.
Milroe has show more capability at throwing on the move than Hurts did at Alabama. Hurts in 2016 was an overall better player than Milroe in 2023 so far but it is a fair knock to say Hurts was basically done as a passer if you flushed him out of the pocket.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:20 pm to Diego Ricardo
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He also has less awareness of the pass rush than Hurts which leads to unnecessary sacks given his athletic ability.
That's the biggest issue with him right now, IMHO. He's scrambling like Bryce used to scramble - tiptoing down the line waiting for something to come open. But Bryce could see that stuff happening 5 seconds before it happened (and even with Bryce it led to a lot of unnecessary sacks and throw aways).
Once Jalen gets outside and starts drifting, his immediate response has to be to put his damn foot in the ground and get upfield and get 3-7 yards. If it's 1st and 10 or 2nd and 8 that is a successful play that keeps us in positive down and distance. Instead, he's just drifting sideways and then not even tossing the ball into the first row. He's just running out of bounds or taking a sack, turning what could have been 2nd and 6 into 2nd and 14 or 3rd and 14. It destroys drives and is a total unforced error.
The offensive line also has to get tired of seeing sack numbers from the last 2 weeks where they literally haven't given up a single one of them
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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All those guys I listed were straight up ballers, right out of the gate. They were not always good quarterbacks but they were always good football players with excellent instincts for the game and it's that part of it, numbers and percentages can't measure. Try and recall what you saw in those years versus what you can tabulate and you might have different thoughts on it.
Greg McElroy was a baller out of the gate ? ?
Jake Coker was a baller out of the gate ? ?
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Try and recall what you saw in those years versus what you can tabulate and you might have different thoughts on it.
Hmmm I remember visibly watching Nick Saban give up on letting Greg McElroy throw the football in the 2nd half against a 6 loss South Carolina team at home because he was so feeble and so bad and so turnover prone that he was going to single handidly lose the football game. I'm assuming you remember that, right? The game where we basically just handed the game over to Mark Ingram in the wildcat and begged him to save us? I was sitting there in the endzone. Greg couldn't throw a ball 15 yards, couldn't read the defense and was played like he was terrified to even be on the field.
Then, the coaching staff was so terrified he'd lose the game that they only let him throw out routes and check downs against Tennessee, which also almost cost us a game, considering we scored 12 points.
And finally, I remember him leading the offense to this shining output against LSU in the 1st half:
- Punt
- Punt
- Punt
- Field Goal
- Punt
- Interception (and my gawd was it an awful interception)
Luckily Julio Jones saved his arse by taking a WR screen 80 yards to the house.
So yea, my eyes remember Greg as being an absolute major frickin liability in 2009. We won games because we had a great defense and an elite running game. We didn't win shite because of anything Greg did, and he almost ruined it for us with his inept efforts on multiple occasions. If 2009 Greg had been the QB in 2021 or 2022 we'd have gone 8-4 or 7-5. If he was the QB this year we'd be in just as much trouble as we are now. Not until his one shining moment against Florida did Greg ever play like a guy with "great instincts". He played like a high school spread QB whose only other major power 5 offer was Texas Tech and was only playing QB because we didn't have any other options.
You're cherry picking and yes they were. I told you they weren't always good quarterbacks but they were always good football players and both those guys came out balling their first start against power 5 teams.
230 yds, a TD and a pick with a 50% completion percentage is pretty good for your first start against a power 5 team in 2009. That's what Gmac had against Va-Tech.
Coker had 213 yds, a touchdown, no picks and a 71% completion percentage in his first start in 2015 against Wisconsin.
You're being disingenuous. Jalen Milroe isn't jackshit compared to either one of those guys and you know it and what you also know is that in Gmac's case and to a lesser extent Coker's. They played against an entirely different brand of defense back then. A kind of defense that didn't give a shite about quarterbacks.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:31 pm to Pandy Fackler
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You're cherry picking and yes they were.
Cherry picking? Greg McElroy was an absolute disaster for basically the middle half of the season. He was "ok" for other parts of it and great against Florida. Anybody who watched Alabama football in 2009 knows that if not for an all-world defense and Mark Ingram that team loses 3 games in the middle/end of the season. Don't need any stats for that, anybody with eyes and a brain knows it.
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230 yds, a TD and a pick with a 50% completion percentage is pretty good for your first start against a power 5 team in 2009. That's what Gmac had against Va-Tech.
Jalen vs Texas : 140.8 passer rating, 14/27 (52%), 9.4 YPA, 255 yards, 2 TDs/2 INTs
Greg vs Virginia Tech : 118.7 passer rating, 15/30 (50%), 7.7 YPA, 230 yards, 1 TD/1 INT
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You're being disingenuous
Feel free to suckle at the teet of Greg McElroy, but in way shape or form am I going to agree with the fact that Greg "better hold them under 20 and hand it to Mark Ingram" McElroy deserves some sort of pedestal treatment that Jalen Milroe isn't allowed to sniff. GTFOH.
Haven't even mentioned the fact that Greg literally had a HALL OF FAMER at WR to throw to when things got sticky. Not an all-SEC player. Not an all-American. A bust in Canton, gold jacket hall of famer. He had a grand total of 596 yards and 4 TDs playing with the gritty, cerebral and master of the offense Greg McElroy in that 2009 season. 13% of the yards and 25% of the touchdowns after the catch on a single WR screen against LSU.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:32 pm to Roger Klarvin
He's at practice, full speed. He good 
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:33 pm to Hback
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He's at practice, full speed. He good
Can't be. According to this thread, he's in a hospital bed on a ventilator.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:35 pm to Hback
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He's at practice, full speed. He good
Who, Ty Simpson? That's good news.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:35 pm to Marktastic86
I thought he was the third best qb though?
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:37 pm to TiggerWoods
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I thought he was the third best qb though?
He is. Right behind Ty Simpson and Dylan Lonergan.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You're cherry picking and yes they were.
Cherry picking? Greg McElroy was an absolute disaster for basically the middle half of the season. He was "ok" for other parts of it and great against Florida.
Why is it that these guys that scream the loudest about Milroe sucking almost always get proven wrong by stats(facts) and never admit that they are incorrect, but double down on their opinions, and claim that the stats are "misleading" or revert to some kind of "eye test" to what it is they remember that they saw? Peculiar.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:42 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Why is it that these guys that scream the loudest about Milroe sucking almost always get proven wrong by stats(facts) and never admit that they are incorrect, but double down on their opinions, and claim that the stats are "misleading" or revert to some kind of "eye test" to what it is they remember that they saw? Peculiar.
Ackshully that game where he was under 50%, threw for 90 yards and also 2 interceptions was impressive because he was so cerebral in the way he stood at WR and let Mark Ingram save the game against the 6 loss team.
Dummies
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:52 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Why is it that these guys that scream the loudest about Milroe sucking almost always get proven wrong by stats(facts) and never admit that they are incorrect, but double down on their opinions, and claim that the stats are "misleading" or revert to some kind of "eye test" to what it is they remember that they saw? Peculiar.
I haven't referenced Milroe's stats one single time. I don't give a shite about his stats. I know what I see and what I see is a straight up shitty football player. I hope it changes and if I'm wrong about Saturday, bump this thread and I'll own it but right now, I've got Jalen Milroe stumbling and clutzing all over the field Saturday, with a 7 point to low double digit A&M win.
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