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Replacing GOATs
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:29 am
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:29 am
Hard to do but Bama did the best job going from Wade to Thomas.
Alabama
Wallace Wade: 61-13-3, 3 national titles
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Frank Thomas: 115-24-7, 3 national titles
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Harold Drew: 54-28-7
Notre Dame
Knute Rockne: 105-12-5, 3 national titles
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Hunk Anderson: 16-9-2 (moved on to NFL eventually and won an NFL championship in 1943 with the Chicago Bears. George Halas replaced him as head coach a few years later.)
Notre Dame
Frank Leahy 87-11-9, 4 national titles
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Terry Brennan 32-18
Ohio State
Woody Hayes 205-61-10, 5 titles
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Earl Bruce 81-26-1
Alabama
Bear Bryant 232-46-9
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Ray Perkins 32-15-1
Minnesota
Bernie Bierman 93-35-6, 5 titles
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Wes Fesler 10-13-1
USC
John McKay 127-40-8, 4 titles
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John Robinson 67-14-2. 1 title (Robinson coached at USC later after coaching the Rams in the NFL, his second stint was less successful)
Oklahoma
Barry Switzer 157-29-4, 3 titles
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Gary Gibbs 44-23-2
Texas
Darrell Royal 167-47-5, 3 titles
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Fred Akers 86-31-1
Oklahoma
Bud Wilkinson 145-29-4, 3 titles
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Gomer Jones 9-11-1 (Yes, they had a coach named Gomer. Yes, he was as bad as his name. Checked but can't find Coach Goober.)
Nebraska
Tom Osborne 255-49-3, 3 titles
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Frank Solich 58-19
Alabama
Wallace Wade: 61-13-3, 3 national titles
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Frank Thomas: 115-24-7, 3 national titles
to
Harold Drew: 54-28-7
Notre Dame
Knute Rockne: 105-12-5, 3 national titles
to
Hunk Anderson: 16-9-2 (moved on to NFL eventually and won an NFL championship in 1943 with the Chicago Bears. George Halas replaced him as head coach a few years later.)
Notre Dame
Frank Leahy 87-11-9, 4 national titles
to
Terry Brennan 32-18
Ohio State
Woody Hayes 205-61-10, 5 titles
to
Earl Bruce 81-26-1
Alabama
Bear Bryant 232-46-9
to
Ray Perkins 32-15-1
Minnesota
Bernie Bierman 93-35-6, 5 titles
to
Wes Fesler 10-13-1
USC
John McKay 127-40-8, 4 titles
to
John Robinson 67-14-2. 1 title (Robinson coached at USC later after coaching the Rams in the NFL, his second stint was less successful)
Oklahoma
Barry Switzer 157-29-4, 3 titles
to
Gary Gibbs 44-23-2
Texas
Darrell Royal 167-47-5, 3 titles
to
Fred Akers 86-31-1
Oklahoma
Bud Wilkinson 145-29-4, 3 titles
to
Gomer Jones 9-11-1 (Yes, they had a coach named Gomer. Yes, he was as bad as his name. Checked but can't find Coach Goober.)
Nebraska
Tom Osborne 255-49-3, 3 titles
to
Frank Solich 58-19
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:33 am to koreandawg
There's no way that the next coach will satisfy most of that fanbase and it would be the same way with any other fanbase. The closest thing I can think of to relate it to as an LSU fan is replacing Skip Bertman. That is still the standard at LSU over 20 years later. It's gonna be the same way in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:38 am to TigerLunatik
Will say this, Saban left LSU is such good shape that Miles and Orgeron both won a title.
I think Miles was decent coach, but probably would've never been more than 8 win on average type if he hadn't gone to an LSU type school.
Orgeron, well we kind of know what he was. If he was at a top school he could win 8 to 10 games, and if he wasn't he wouldn't win very much. Lightning in a bottle in 2019.
I'd say 50/50 the next guy wins a title at Bama. Probably 80 percent or higher chance he gets canned in ten years or less even with one title.
I think Miles was decent coach, but probably would've never been more than 8 win on average type if he hadn't gone to an LSU type school.
Orgeron, well we kind of know what he was. If he was at a top school he could win 8 to 10 games, and if he wasn't he wouldn't win very much. Lightning in a bottle in 2019.
I'd say 50/50 the next guy wins a title at Bama. Probably 80 percent or higher chance he gets canned in ten years or less even with one title.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:39 am to koreandawg
You realize that Bobby Bowden was all set to take the Bama job but the AD at the time asked him to interview instead of just giving him a contract to sign and he walked?
He almost took the job again a few years later but the morons running things at the time offered it to Bill Curry.
Apparently he grew up in Birmingham, played football at Bama for a time and it was his dream job but Bama kept screwing up their hires during that era due to boosters and internal politics.
If not for those mistakes it would’ve been Bear -> Bowden -> ???? -> Saban
Bowden Dreamed of Being HC @Bama
He almost took the job again a few years later but the morons running things at the time offered it to Bill Curry.
Apparently he grew up in Birmingham, played football at Bama for a time and it was his dream job but Bama kept screwing up their hires during that era due to boosters and internal politics.
If not for those mistakes it would’ve been Bear -> Bowden -> ???? -> Saban
Bowden Dreamed of Being HC @Bama
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:40 am to TigerLunatik
The next coach has an impossible job.
The transfer portal prevents you from stacking rosters and NIL makes the playing field more even to land high school recruits.
No one was likely to replicate what Saban did but now it’s legitimately impossible to stack rosters the way he did.
The next coach is destined to disappoint the fanbase and get fired.
The transfer portal prevents you from stacking rosters and NIL makes the playing field more even to land high school recruits.
No one was likely to replicate what Saban did but now it’s legitimately impossible to stack rosters the way he did.
The next coach is destined to disappoint the fanbase and get fired.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 1:41 am
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:42 am to tide06
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You realize that Bobby Bowden was all set to take the Bama job
So, what you're saying is it's hard to do.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:44 am to koreandawg
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Saban left LSU is such good shape that Miles and Orgeron both won a title
Yeah, but that was pre-NIL and transfer portal world.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:45 am to koreandawg
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Will say this, Saban left LSU is such good shape that Miles and Orgeron both won a title.
It’ll be interesting how the roster shakes out with NIL and transfer portal.
I don’t think the consequences of a protracted hiring process while the portal is open has ever been potentially higher.
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I'd say 50/50 the next guy wins a title at Bama. Probably 80 percent or higher chance he gets canned in ten years or less even with one title.
It’s shocking how often this is happening recently. Used to be that winning a title was almost a guarantee that a guy would be around a long time, but maybe 10 years now equates to 15 or 20 in years past?
Chizik, Miles, Oregeron and even Urban Meyer all show that it’s one thing to win and an entirely different thing to sustain success long term.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:47 am to Lonnie Utah
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Yeah, but that was pre-NIL and transfer portal world.
We still haven't seen a team win a title whose starters weren't predominantly high school recruits who signed only with the school they won a championship with.
I'm waiting, but I'm just not seeing the big shifts many are talking about.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 5:48 am
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:50 am to Stidham8
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The transfer portal prevents you from stacking rosters and NIL makes the playing field more even to land high school recruits.
In what way has it made it impossible to stack talent at Bama or UGA?
Top 3 classes every year and multiple first round guys along with other starters via the portal almost every year in Tuscaloosa.
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The next coach has an impossible job.
No one is going to be Saban, period end of story.
But if Les Miles, Gene Chizik and Ed Orgeron can win championships just by having the roster align right in a given year it’s 100% possible to sustain success at the right place with actual elite coaches and booster support.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:54 am to koreandawg
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I think Miles was decent coach
Les Miles is probably still the coach of LSU if Nick Saban had never come to Alabama. The same goes for Mark Richt at Georgia. He single-handedly raised the expectations for multiple programs in the SEC and over the wide expanse of college football during his 17 years in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:54 am to tide06
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It’s shocking how often this is happening recently. Used to be that winning a title was almost a guarantee that a guy would be around a long time, but maybe 10 years now equates to 15 or 20 in years past?
Chizik, Miles, Oregeron and even Urban Meyer all show that it’s one thing to win and an entirely different thing to sustain success long term.
Saban caused that. Richt wouldn't have been fired if not for Saban.
Bowden only won two and he's a dwarf in comparison, despite being a top 5 finished year after year.
After the Bear's last title:
Georgia 1980
Bama 1992
Florida 1996
Tennessee 1998
LSU 2003
Things were really spread out and it was just one title per team.
Then Urban won two and Saban won 6 more with Bama and the stakes were raised.
The problem is teams think they can go out and hire someone to get to that level. Most times they end up worse if the coach was good. Georgia has been lucky that every coach has been an improvement since Goff and all three of them are or will be in the College Football HOF.
There are only a few elite coaches, but everyone thinks their next one will be.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 6:19 am
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:56 am to RollTide1987
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He single-handedly raised the expectations for multiple programs in the SEC
Which is what made him great for the conference even though most won't admit it.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:57 am to koreandawg
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So, what you're saying is it's hard to do.
Hiring a coach is never easy, agreed.
I would argue hiring a coach to win at LSU, UGA, Ohio State or Bama is a lot easier than at other places because of the historic competitive advantages those schools have.
LSU was able to hire away a CFP level coach from ND because they’re LSU. He wasn’t gonna just leave for a lower tier job. Same thing in effect with Urban Meyer. He went to OSU because they’re OSU and turned down a dozen other schools because they weren’t.
Kirby wouldn’t be “Kirby” at Baylor and Saban wouldn’t have been “Saban” had he stayed at Michigan State because it’s harder to win at those schools.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:16 am to tide06
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Kirby wouldn’t be “Kirby” at Baylor and Saban wouldn’t have been “Saban” had he stayed at Michigan State because it’s harder to win at those schools.
OSU already knew what Meyer was. He's available by the way.
Kelly still hasn't won a title. He's been good. We knew that. He hasn't shown himself to be elite yet.
None of the coaches being brought up right now have proven themselves to be elite. Maybe they can be at Alabama, but it's not known or a given.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:34 am to koreandawg
Since you didn't see fit to include them:
Tennessee
Robert Neyland: 173-31-12, 4 National Titles
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Harvey Robinson: 10-10-1
Bowden Wyatt: 49-29-4, 1 National Title
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Jim McDonald: 5-5-0
Phillip Fulmer: 151-52-1, 1 National Title
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Lane Kiffin: 7-6
Tennessee is the GOAT at replacing NC winning coaches with mediocrity.
Tennessee
Robert Neyland: 173-31-12, 4 National Titles
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Harvey Robinson: 10-10-1
Bowden Wyatt: 49-29-4, 1 National Title
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Jim McDonald: 5-5-0
Phillip Fulmer: 151-52-1, 1 National Title
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Lane Kiffin: 7-6
Tennessee is the GOAT at replacing NC winning coaches with mediocrity.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:43 am to madmaxvol
The list I had did not give him four. Lots of coaches have won one title. It's fair to say Neyland won three. One of those years, only one poll awarded him the title and it wasn't the AP.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 6:48 am
Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:01 am to tide06
Sounds like Bobby almost took a bunch of jobs
Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:11 am to koreandawg
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Replacing GOATs
I don’t know if you can actually buy goats there, but Taebeck about 2.5 hours from Seoul lets you visit them and buy some products like goat milk
Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:14 am to koreandawg
I'd suggest sheep. They don't have the funky eyes and you can harvest their wool....
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