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re: Recruiting thoughts and future powers in the SEC.......
Posted on 11/14/12 at 10:32 am to Moustache
Posted on 11/14/12 at 10:32 am to Moustache
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No doubt you guys will be pains in the arse and fricking up seasons for top SEc teams. Freeze was a great hire. I just don't see you guys winning the SEC, like ever.
Fair enough. No reason to think otherwise.
For now.... Haioooooohhhh
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Posted on 11/14/12 at 10:44 am to Moustache
Tennessee and Auburn are the wildcards in this.
Tennessee needs an NFL-type coach. They can get the talent on offense (just look at this season), but they need a bigtime coach to re-establish the program. The problem is, there's not a lot of NFL coaches around. You have to think outside the box to find one (hey, maybe throw the bank at Andy Reid after Philly cans him; tell him college is more fun, etc. See what happens. THAT would give Saban, Spurrier, and Muschamp strokes!... and really, he might consider 3-4 years at a major college, after the way his NFL career is crashing this season)
Auburn doesn't have quite the potential Tennessee does, but there's an easier fix. Steal Franklin from Vandy, no matter what the price is. Franklin's style would be a perfect fit for Auburn's traditional recruiting base. Auburn gives Franklin a whole lot more to work with than Vandy; he's gonna have an 8 win season and a bowl game. That's probably the worst he would do at Auburn, while it's the best he can do at Vandy.
Tennessee needs an NFL-type coach. They can get the talent on offense (just look at this season), but they need a bigtime coach to re-establish the program. The problem is, there's not a lot of NFL coaches around. You have to think outside the box to find one (hey, maybe throw the bank at Andy Reid after Philly cans him; tell him college is more fun, etc. See what happens. THAT would give Saban, Spurrier, and Muschamp strokes!... and really, he might consider 3-4 years at a major college, after the way his NFL career is crashing this season)
Auburn doesn't have quite the potential Tennessee does, but there's an easier fix. Steal Franklin from Vandy, no matter what the price is. Franklin's style would be a perfect fit for Auburn's traditional recruiting base. Auburn gives Franklin a whole lot more to work with than Vandy; he's gonna have an 8 win season and a bowl game. That's probably the worst he would do at Auburn, while it's the best he can do at Vandy.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 10:58 am to Crompdaddy8
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Texas and Oklahoma gets the 1st pick.
last year only 5 of 25 ou recruits were from texas.
thus far only 5 of 12 ou commits are from texas
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:00 am to Moustache
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they better pray Mullen doesn't find a better gig.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:02 am to Arch2012
Yea but you gotta look historically
Ou and Tex traditionally have their pick of Tx recruits over A&M
Ou and Tex traditionally have their pick of Tx recruits over A&M
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:03 am to Arch2012
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last year only 5 of 25 ou recruits were from texas.
thus far only 5 of 12 ou commits are from texas
I Think Texas has enough talent for OU, UT-austin, and A&M to be all elite.
However, historically, when OU has gone down, A&M has gone up and vice versa.
I used to think this true of LSU/A&M, but LSU doesn't depend on TX nearly as much anymore.
This post was edited on 11/14/12 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:04 am to Patton
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Ou and Tex traditionally have their pick of Tx recruits over A&M
Not.any.more.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:05 am to pivey14
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pivey14
I'm not saying Mullen is looking, but do you really believe that he isn't a top coach and that losing him wouldn't really hurt you guys?
All I'm saying, is that there are a lot of gigs out there that could throw $ and facilities Dan's way and he'd be gone.
MSU is a great school, but they will never win a NC.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:06 am to Moustache
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Not.any.more
Based on one year?
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:12 am to Patton
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Based on one year?
Nah, movign to the SEC permanently made A&M a bigger player than they are until sanctions or a coaching change removes that advantage.
I'm not saying they will out-recruit UT or OU, but so far they are doing better than OU. Historically, both OU and A&M were not both up at the same time. One must go down. We'll see if it's different this time and if TX can support 3 elite programs like the state of FL did in the 90s.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:13 am to Patton
utex sure ou debateable, but this thread is about future outlook and ou has shown they are moving away from texas
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:14 am to Arch2012
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d ou has shown they are moving away from texas
Biggest mistake Stoops has made so far IMO.
OU still has a GIGANTIC pull in DFW. Very stupid to move away from TX.
OU without TX basically puts them in a league with Nebraska, recruiting wise.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:17 am to Moustache
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However, historically, when OU has gone down, A&M has gone up and vice versa.
agree, although I wouldn't say ou has been down the last few years
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:18 am to Scoob
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Auburn doesn't have quite the potential Tennessee does, but there's an easier fix. Steal Franklin from Vandy, no matter what the price is. Franklin's style would be a perfect fit for Auburn's traditional recruiting base. Auburn gives Franklin a whole lot more to work with than Vandy; he's gonna have an 8 win season and a bowl game. That's probably the worst he would do at Auburn, while it's the best he can do at Vandy.
This thread has made some very good points, especially regarding Auburn being a wildcard depending on the next HC hire
What you say about Franklin makes me consider him in a new light. My only concern about Franklin is my overall concern regarding the AD: who can cope with the outside interferance. Nick Saban cleaned out Bama's AD internally and externally, Auburn must do the same thing to step to the next level
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:24 am to Moustache
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They will do well, but the thing that aTm will need to push them over the top will be getting a few athletes from LA as well.
some kids in TX grow up UT fans and some aTm. I don't think you will dominate. It's not like UT is going anywhere and OU will get theirs too. But, TX is like FL in the fact that it can support a shitload of elite teams.
UF was at the top of the league in the 90s and they didn't "dominate" FL recruiting. This idea that you guys will get the top Tx recruits and historical powers like UT and OU will just get the scraps is misguided.
That's not me saying A&M won't be elite. That's me being realistic.
TAMU will be a national player as long as Sumlin proves to be the right guy and isn't a copy of other coaches who have a great year and then fade away. He needs to get better athletes on Defense to stay on top. LSU and Bama will stay national players as well. TAMU won't just be the lone elite team in the west. And they certainly won't be the lone elite team out of Texas/OU.
Maybe because another program in the state was finishing in the top five every year?
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:27 am to Patton
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Yea but you gotta look historically
Ou and Tex traditionally have their pick of Tx recruits over A&M
Depends on what "history" you are talking about. It certainly wasn't that way from the mid '80s to mid '90s. A&M owned the State of Texas recruiting wise and came in and plucked talent from LA and around the country as well. Texas and OU had a perfect storm of getting a big facilities edge with 2 great coaching hires while A&M got caught napping in the late '90s. It likely would have been fine except for the epic fail that was hiring Dennis Franchione.
In the end there are well over 20 million people that live within 250 miles of the A&M campus and amongst them are some of the best recruiting talent in the country. In state really only Texas has the horses to compete with A&M long term. OU has done a tremendous job of stealing out of our cookie jar but that formula only works when OU is winning and A&M is losing, otherwise very few Texas kids would rather go OOS to Norman. It's just most people here don't remember when A&M was an elite football program or they pretend like the '80s and '90s didn't exist. A&M is FAR more attractive now than it was then to boot in terms of what we offer as a University and that goes beyond the SEC.
A&M has already been getting 10 or 12 4*'s and cherry picking a few folks from Louisiana. LSU can only take so many and the LA talent is very defensive heavy. For instance if Louisiana produces 10 great DB's in a given year only so many can go to LSU, A&M is poised to pick up 2 or 3 pretty easily. LSU is going to be able to get Texas kids as well but will have more and more trouble if A&M is seen as being on the same level success wise. The RSJ battle will be interesting to watch this year for one. In the recent past you had kids like Craig Loston that was a heavy Aggie lean but ended up at LSU or Corey Nelson that left A&M at the altar for OU. Those days are likely gone with the SEC move and A&M's success. A&M can now say to a kid your chances of winning at A&M are just as good if not better than those schools and that simply hasn't been a believable statement until now.
Things are changing. Last year A&M got Thomas Johnson who was the #1 WR in Texas to decommit from Texas and go to A&M. Now in looking at 2014 A&M is on edge of getting the Top 2 LB's in the State who Texas has gone after hard before Junior Days. OU is really out of the equation except for a few kids in DFW and A&M has repeatedly beaten them out the last few years for top kids.
As to the OP. I would say the 8 team rule is a better one than 6. My measure of being one of the "8" is that a school is likely to win the SEC in the next 20 years at least once. I'd list it as follows:
East:
UGA
UF
UT
USC (on the bubble)
West:
Bama
LSU
A&M
Auburn
Arkie could put it together and get in the mix. The Mississippi schools could have a perfect storm possibly and make a run. Mizzou is kind of in the same boat as Arkie. UK and Vandy have no shot.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:36 am to aggressor
We're primed to have a second straight 11 win season which has never happened before I think It's safe to say we're past the bubble
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:00 pm to CarolinaCock
I think USC is right there but they still haven't gotten over the mountain and UF and UGA are looking like they are about to start rolling again while UT is waiting in the bushes. I wonder if USC may have blown their window. I still consider them there but don't know if they can sustain it.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:02 pm to Arch2012
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Arch2012 Recruiting thoughts and future powers in the SEC....... utex sure ou debateable, but this thread is about future outlook and ou has shown they are moving away from texas
Ou has made inroads to the west coast over last few years.(will be smart of them if one day in PAC) ou recruits kids from texas who already are looking at playing out of state and mainly DFW kids and market.
A&m and ut have more head to head battles and will be where we gain more talent from being sec.
Epic battles will begin to take place with LSU. (RSJ) A&m has dramatically increased louisiana recruiting over last 5 yrs.
The triangle area from Houston to Tyler to Shreveport and surrounding areas will be VERY IMPORTANT to watch
Everyones right- auburn and tenn are huge wildcards for future
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:06 pm to Crompdaddy8
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Texas and Oklahoma gets the 1st pick.
Missed badly on that one.
Oklahoma is currently ranked 32nd on rivals with only 12 commitments this late in the season. Less than half of their commits (5) are from Texas, and only TWO of those are 4-star players (1 RB, 1 QB). They've lost almost every head to head with A&M this year.
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