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re: RANK THE SEC COACHES
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:35 pm to NawlinsTigah270
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:35 pm to NawlinsTigah270
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Tubbs is vastly under-rated, and if he were at a school with the talent of LSU or Florida, then he would be winning national championships on a regular basis.
Part of coaching is recruiting. You can be the greatest X's and O's guy and motivator, but if you can't get the talent you aren't a complete coach in college football.
I understand the school is part of it, that's why I consider Meyer overrated and Johnson underrated. Tubbs has been there long enough with enough time to recruit his guys.
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Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:38 pm to Suntiger
I wonder how many coaches would have lost 4 games with all the talent in Baton Rouge the last 2 years. I doubt that Spurrier, Richt or Saban would have lost that many with those loaded LSU rosters.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:40 pm to PetTiger
Why do people always put Meyer over Miles? Miles has the better record in 3 years
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:40 pm to PetTiger
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If he couldn't win it with these guys, i doubt he would be able to win on a regular basis with anyone's talent.
They won every game on there schedule. They could not help it that the BCS choose Oklahoma instead of Auburn to play USC.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:40 pm to PetTiger
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If he couldn't win it with these guys, i doubt he would be able to win on a regular basis with anyone's talent.
He went undefeated with those guys, something Les, Saban, and Meyer have never done. The only other current SEC coaches to do so are Spurrier and Fullmer.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:41 pm to mhsdeuce07
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Why do people always put Meyer over Miles? Miles has the better record in 3 years
The only reason is their accomplishments at previous schools. Meyer had arguably a better stop at his previous schools. Miles had a good big game record, but had nothing else to show for it at a bigger program than Meyer.
Not saying I agree with it, but this could be a reason.
This post was edited on 7/22/08 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:45 pm to NawlinsTigah270
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He went undefeated with those guys, something Les, Saban, and Meyer have never done.
Right, but he did it only 1 time. The year before he did not win the West, not did he finish second. By your original argument, he would win NC consistently with top tier talent. My point is that he has top tier talent.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:46 pm to PetTiger
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Right, but he did it only 1 time. The year before he did not win the West, not did he finish second. By your original argument, he would win NC consistently with top tier talent. My point is that he has top tier talent.
Tuberville doesn't get anywhere near the talent that LSU or Florida get on a year by year basis. Not saying they don't get some talent, but not on the same level.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:49 pm to geauxgiacomo
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Miles
Meyer
Tubberville
Saban
Spurrier
Richt
Fulmer
Petrino
Croom
Johnson
Nutt
Brooks
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Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:49 pm to RedHawk
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If he couldn't win it with these guys, i doubt he would be able to win on a regular basis with anyone's talent.
Without a doubt the dumbest statement I have seen on this site in a long, long time. And that is saying something. He went 13-0 in 2004. I'd say that is winning with that talent.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:49 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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based on actual coaching ability
WTF is "actual" coaching ability and how'd you go about measuring it?
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:52 pm to iwyLSUiwy
swap fulmer and croom and you got it.
I would have to keep Les ahead of Nick b/c Les had the better record and the NC. Nick didn't do so hot is first year in Bama.
I would have to keep Les ahead of Nick b/c Les had the better record and the NC. Nick didn't do so hot is first year in Bama.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:52 pm to mhsdeuce07
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Why do people always put Meyer over Miles? Miles has the better record in 3 years
Only reason is that in Meyer's NC season he only had one loss and he is more inivative (sometimes stupid) with his offense. It's pretty close though.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:52 pm to dawgorama
X's and O's not just wins.
For instance, Spurrier is by far the best coach in the SEC but he is at a college where he will never have the talent to win 11 and 12 games every year.
For instance, Spurrier is by far the best coach in the SEC but he is at a college where he will never have the talent to win 11 and 12 games every year.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:53 pm to dawgorama
I think trying to separate Miles, Meyer, Saban, Tubberville, Richt, and even Spurrier is kinda pointless. They are all great coaches who have had great success. Sure, Tubbs and Richt don't have a national title, but Tubbs is the only one of the bunch to have an undefeated season in the SEC.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:54 pm to mhsdeuce07
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Why do people always put Meyer over Miles? Miles has the better record in 3 years
Miles has a better record but Meyer is a better coach. I guess thats why.
This post was edited on 7/22/08 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/22/08 at 3:54 pm to iwyLSUiwy
1. Spurrier- Come one, guys got so many SEC rings they won't fit on one hand
2-4. Miles, Meyer, Saban (pick the order)-Can't argue with an NC and SEC titles.
5.Richt - 2 SECC, great winning percentage...needs to win it all to move up.
6.Tubberville - Too many 4 loss seasons to be higher
7.Croom - Great coach
8.Fulmer - No SEC titles in 10 years..only 2 in 15+
9.Johnson - Great coach, crappy school
10.Brooks - See above
11.Nutt - Good for a big win or 2 a year.
12.Petrino - Hasn't coached in SEC, not impressed with Louisville.
2-4. Miles, Meyer, Saban (pick the order)-Can't argue with an NC and SEC titles.
5.Richt - 2 SECC, great winning percentage...needs to win it all to move up.
6.Tubberville - Too many 4 loss seasons to be higher
7.Croom - Great coach
8.Fulmer - No SEC titles in 10 years..only 2 in 15+
9.Johnson - Great coach, crappy school
10.Brooks - See above
11.Nutt - Good for a big win or 2 a year.
12.Petrino - Hasn't coached in SEC, not impressed with Louisville.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 4:00 pm to dawgorama
I don't think Tuberville would have lost 2 games last year with LSU's talent level, let alone all the close calls.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 4:01 pm to bigpapamac
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He went 13-0 in 2004. I'd say that is winning with that talent.
Calm down, I got my years mixed up.
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Without a doubt the dumbest statement I have seen on this site in a long, long time.
There is no way that is true.
Posted on 7/22/08 at 4:06 pm to RedHawk
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I don't think Tuberville would have lost 2 games last year with LSU's talent level, let alone all the close calls.
Not at all. Tubby is very good coach.
It wouldnt surprise me if Tubby went undefeated two of the last three years with the talent LSU had.
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