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re: Q&A: Dan Mullen, on MSU’s limited recruiting reach outside of Mississippi
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:44 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:44 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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I beg to differ
Jackie Sherrill won 10 games one year and also took us to the SEC Championship game another year
In any given year State can win it all, I'm talking about over a 7-10 year period.
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Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:45 am to WDE24
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There are chances to have outlier years. I think his point was they won't be able to consistently compete at that level.
exactly
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:46 am to Dick Burleson
i agree i dont think they could reach LSU and bama but i think they have a higher level than 7 to 8 wins per year. I think they could get to some point where they can challenge for the sec every 4 years. It will take mullen staying, stadium renovations and improving on recruiting by winning now.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:47 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
I agree with it partially, but most of the article just seems nonsensical to me. He is basically saying he does it this way because that's his recruiting system. When in truth, he just isn't a very good recruiter.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:49 am to Requiem For A Dawg
At least you can be realistic... 
Either way, it seems to be working...
Either way, it seems to be working...
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:50 am to heartbreakTiger
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Its all about him staying though if he leaves then state has to find a guy like him and that is a gamble. Since they dont always work out like he has so far and all it takes is another croom to knock state back down again. The bigger schools can recover from a croom type mistake a lot faster than state.
Croom was hired by a not too bright AD at a time when we were trying to appease the NCAA to keep them from hammering us too hard for Sherrell's shinanagans. We will never have another Larry Templeton
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:50 am to heartbreakTiger
As an over all program they are as good as they have been in a while, but are still 5th in the SEC West. I don't ever see them being consistently ahead of Bama, LSU or Auburn. I really don't ever see them being consistently ahead of Arky, but that is much more possible than the others. However, they are good enough to win the SEC on the right year. Much like USCe, who had their chance last year and may get their last chance for a while this year. It just so happened for USCe that UF, UGA and UT are all in a state of flux at the same time. MSU is going to need the same type situation to get to the top.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:51 am to Dick Burleson
Maybe you state fans have help me out on this. Everytime y'all get a commitment from someone with no other BCS offers and someone says, "ummmm when are we going to stop recruiting diamonds" they get scolded with, " if by now you can't trust Dan, then something is wrong with you" well exactly what are they talking about? Y'all had one good season that was lead by Croom's players, a Juco RB (player development?) and 4*'s from 08's class. If you won 9 games with Dan Mullen's QB and OL and all those 4 stars were 2'a and 3's then I'd get it, but I wouldn't have much faith in winning football games without your Boyd's, Cox's, Bumphis, Sherrod's, White, Wright, and McPhee, not your diamonds
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:55 am to Whereisomaha
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If you won 9 games with Dan Mullen's QB and OL and all those 4 stars were 2'a and 3's then I'd get it, but I wouldn't have much faith in winning football games without your Boyd's, Cox's, Bumphis, Sherrod's, White, Wright, and McPhee, not your diamonds
Well he hasn't exactly been here long enough to win with just his players. Would you rather us play with players just because they were Mullen recruits?
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:55 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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I agree with everything Dan says in this article.
I do too about how there's too much emphasis on stars but damn, it's all coach speak, brah.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:55 am to WDE24
with the right coach a team could take advantage of the rest of the division being down and actually keep them from falling all the way again. mullen could be the right one to do that when the west eventually cycles down. The issue is the west wont cycle down for long because LSU,bama and auburn will pump to much money into the program for it be down long and arky is on the way to do that as well.
im not saying state is going to be a threat every year like LSU and bama but every 4 to 5 years if they can steal a few kids and they dont have mass injuries they could get in the title game. Like i said though there margin for error is much smaller than the rest of the west besides ole miss. plus its yet to be seen if mullen stays
im not saying state is going to be a threat every year like LSU and bama but every 4 to 5 years if they can steal a few kids and they dont have mass injuries they could get in the title game. Like i said though there margin for error is much smaller than the rest of the west besides ole miss. plus its yet to be seen if mullen stays
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:58 am to Dick Burleson
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In any given year State can win it all, I'm talking about over a 7-10 year period.
No doubt about that, I don't think any rational State fan thinks we can compete with the Bama's and LSU's on a year to year basis, we just don't have the resources that they do
But given the right circumstances I think that once every 6 or 7 years we could make a run at the SEC championship
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:58 am to Whereisomaha
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one good season that was lead by Croom's players
You Ole Miss people really make yourselves believe this.
The fact is Croom failed at developing players, as evident to only a handful being drafted in his 5 years at State. Dan has developed the talent he inherited and also signed and turned them into SEC caliber and some such as KJ Wright, Chris White, Pernell McPhee into NFL talent.
I dont think Croom and his staff could ever develop players like Mullen and his staff has done over the past two years. We have constantly shown improvement and growth in our program since the day Mullen was hired.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:59 am to Tds & Beer
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Well he hasn't exactly been here long enough to win with just his players. Would you rather us play with players just because they were Mullen recruits?
But he has won with his players. They were all 4*'s though. That's where I'm confused. How can your fanbase say "trust his diamond recruiting skills" when it's been Croom's players and Mullen's blue chippers that have won the football games
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:59 am to heartbreakTiger
quote:I basically agree with you, except I think every 4-5 years seems too optimistic. Every 10 years seems more realistic to me. However, if one (or even two) of AU, Bama, LSU and Arky get some significant scholarship reductions due to NCAA penalties, that might help even the playing field for a little while for MSU.
but every 4 to 5 years
Posted on 7/19/11 at 10:00 am to Slippery Slope
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I am convinced you are a sadist.
He is. Look at that recruiter thread yesterday.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 10:02 am to WDE24
the ncaa is really the only thing that can keep the big sec west schools down for any length of time right now.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 10:03 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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You Ole Miss people really make yourselves believe this.
There's a big and after that that follows with "mullens 4 stars".
I know it wasn't all Croom's players. That's why I said Ballard and the 08 class. So once again you make zero sense. And If don't believe that Sherrod, Dixon, Relf, and Wright haven't been your leaders for the past two seasons then you're high
Posted on 7/19/11 at 10:07 am to Whereisomaha
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Relf
I honestly believe he would have never reached his potential if Croom and his staff were still here.
If Dan is know for one thing, it is developing QBs and over the past 2 years he has developed Relp into a solid SEC Starting QB.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 10:11 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
Relf is a mid level serviceable qb that fits Merlins' system. Nothing more nothing less.
This post was edited on 7/19/11 at 10:13 am
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