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re: Program with the better 5 year outlook....
Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:22 pm to wildrebeltime
Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:22 pm to wildrebeltime
Why do you post that? Auburn has always been in the SEC chances are Arkansas would be above 40% if we were always here.
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:25 pm to wildrebeltime
HMM. You do realize that Arkansas has only got to compete in the SEC while hampered by mediocre at best coaching while Auburn has been playing the same teams for much longer so would of course have more opportunities to beat them, right? Look at the facts. Arkansas has one more conference title than Auburn in it's history, and yes in its heydey the SWC was every bit as tough as the early SEC. Arkansas and Auburn have put the exact same number of players in the NFL. They both have one MNC. Arkansas is within striking distance for overall ranking as a program ALL TIME.
Funny that you are a Nutt fan but are basing your opinion of Arkansas on what he accomplished here. if you accept that Nutt was the best Arkansas can do , then yes Auburn clearly has more potential, but if you open your eyes and realize that Houston was the floor, not the ceiling, then you will acknowledge that Arkansas can compete with anyone.
Funny that you are a Nutt fan but are basing your opinion of Arkansas on what he accomplished here. if you accept that Nutt was the best Arkansas can do , then yes Auburn clearly has more potential, but if you open your eyes and realize that Houston was the floor, not the ceiling, then you will acknowledge that Arkansas can compete with anyone.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:32 pm to wildrebeltime
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Arkansas is all time 44% against the SEC. Auburn is 60%.
Decent coaches do make a difference. Holtz won 60% against SEC teams and so did Hatfield.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:41 pm to Porky
Don't post anything positive about Arkansas you can't win this fight because he won't stop as long as you fight his will
Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:55 pm to blackrose890
Don't worry I figure Hootie will call him to the bed soon and he'll have to stop posting.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:56 pm to bcshog
Point well made to you I 
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:07 pm to blackrose890
Arkansas did enter the SEC at a historic lowpoint for our football program.
Most SEC fans will say its because SEC competition is so much better than the SWC ever was.
The SWC was as good as the SEC was in the 70s and early 80s. Florida sucked until the late 80s/early 90s, for example, while both Houston and SMU took turns as top 5 programs in the nation in the 70s and 80s.
Our first season in the SEC, we lost to The Citadel at home.
We sucked worse than we've ever sucked at football in the early 1990s, regardless of which conference we were playing in.
Most SEC fans will say its because SEC competition is so much better than the SWC ever was.
The SWC was as good as the SEC was in the 70s and early 80s. Florida sucked until the late 80s/early 90s, for example, while both Houston and SMU took turns as top 5 programs in the nation in the 70s and 80s.
Our first season in the SEC, we lost to The Citadel at home.
We sucked worse than we've ever sucked at football in the early 1990s, regardless of which conference we were playing in.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:15 pm to wmr
I don't agree with your theories that the SWC was as strong as the SEC. Just b/c Florida didn't win alot doesn't mean you can make that conclusion.
Texas has won about 65% against the SEC historically. Other than that, the rest of the SWC was about 30% against the SEC historically. you could make that assumption if it were about 50% but that is pretty good amount of dominance. That's 7 out of 10 games an SEC played an SWC the SEC won. Prior to Nutt, Arkansas as a SWC program played the SEC tougher than most all other SWC teams winning about 45%. That just goes to show how weak the likes of SMU, Rice, Texas Tech, Houston, Baylor, and Texas a&m all were compared to SEC
Texas has won about 65% against the SEC historically. Other than that, the rest of the SWC was about 30% against the SEC historically. you could make that assumption if it were about 50% but that is pretty good amount of dominance. That's 7 out of 10 games an SEC played an SWC the SEC won. Prior to Nutt, Arkansas as a SWC program played the SEC tougher than most all other SWC teams winning about 45%. That just goes to show how weak the likes of SMU, Rice, Texas Tech, Houston, Baylor, and Texas a&m all were compared to SEC
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:17 pm to wildrebeltime
So the fact that Auburn is 40% all time vs the SWC says what then?
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:28 pm to blackrose890
they never played most of those programs enough for a trend to set. 2 or 3 match ups back in the 20's and 30's is not enough for a trend. they were 3-5 against Texas. 5-1 against Houston. 0-2 against rice and 0-3 against smu. 4 of those 5 smu/rice, were played prior to 1941. Do you really think Auburn would lose to those programs on a regular basis today?
You have to get out of your head that the SWC was so great. back in the 50's maybe it was but hell black players weren't even part of college football back then. Didn't Arkansas get their first black in 69? The game has changed alot.
There is no logic whatsoever to suggest Arkansas will ever be able to compete with auburn on an annual basis.
You have to get out of your head that the SWC was so great. back in the 50's maybe it was but hell black players weren't even part of college football back then. Didn't Arkansas get their first black in 69? The game has changed alot.
There is no logic whatsoever to suggest Arkansas will ever be able to compete with auburn on an annual basis.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:31 pm to wildrebeltime
Apparently past results are an indicator of the future, WTR. So yes. Yes, SMU and Rice would beat Auburn today. Seems like sound logic to me...
Right guys? Guys? Hello...
Right guys? Guys? Hello...
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:34 pm to wildrebeltime
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wildrebeltime
Thought you said Winton and Leon wasn't going to qualify?
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:34 pm to wildrebeltime
Houston wasn't in the SWC until late in the conference you might want to check if they played at all during their time in the conference. But you raise a good point in why the games of the long forgotten past matter?
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:43 pm to blackrose890
I think they matter for something. It's part of football history. But there are always circumstances you have to take into account. I have no idea when Houston came into the SWC. I researched Auburns all time record against them.
Anyway, when you talk about history factor integration (sp) in to your thinking. That has something to do with black players entering the college game. Since they make up about 65% of college football today and they weren't integrated into the sport until about 1970? !? Exactly what type of football program was Auburn before blacks were integrated? There are a ton of blacks in MS, AL, LA, FL, GA. Were they playing a large part of college football before 1970? Nope.
Anyway, when you talk about history factor integration (sp) in to your thinking. That has something to do with black players entering the college game. Since they make up about 65% of college football today and they weren't integrated into the sport until about 1970? !? Exactly what type of football program was Auburn before blacks were integrated? There are a ton of blacks in MS, AL, LA, FL, GA. Were they playing a large part of college football before 1970? Nope.
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:44 pm to wildrebeltime
So you change the rules and adjust the situation of the argument so that you don't look like an idiot?
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:45 pm to blackrose890
you are confused again.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:47 pm to blackrose890
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So you change the rules and adjust the situation of the argument so that you don't look like an idiot?
WRT can't help it. He/she is an idiot and proves it on a regular basis.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:47 pm to wildrebeltime
lol, only if you aren't allowed to lose.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:49 pm to wildrebeltime
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you are confused again.
Yes, I am. Didn't realize Winston and Leon was going to qualify.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:51 pm to pioneerbasketball
Ross can you please post something? at least you try hard to make decent conversation 
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