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re: Pro Football Focus - Highest Graded SEC Players at each position in 2020
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:17 pm to GatorBait24
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:17 pm to GatorBait24
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Big time throws are +2 and making the right read to the open receiver is worth a big ole 0. This is why Trask is rated lower, he’s penalized for making the right read and not throwing a bunch of low window jump balls. Which he also does some. It’s completely ridiculous to not reward a QB for playing within his system and making the safest throw though.
It's also not fair to penalize a QB for throwing guys open or throwing to a jump ball to a "covered" guy like Pitts who you know has a better chance of making a play than the defender has of breaking up the pass. Being a smart QB and knowing what may look like a risky throw but really isn't, are the type of skills you need to be an elite QB at the next level and in this league. You're not always going to have wide open windows to throw into. The check down route also isn't always the best route to maximize success of your offense. When you have elite guys like Pitts, Chase, Jefferson, etc. the smart throw many times may be throwing to those guys in a window where they will, most of the time, make a play on the ball. There's a reason Trask and Burrow threw for as many yards, TDS, and at such a high percentage with so few INTs.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 2:20 pm
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Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:21 pm to GatorBait24
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Trask is better head to head against common opponents. One game is one game and he was barely better
Trask should have been clearly better due to getting to face many more backups. He wasn’t.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:22 pm to GatorBait24
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Just want to let it be known Jones has 4/10 best lineman in the SEC. Trask has zero. Switch their teams and Mac Jones Is worse in our offense than Franks. Trask is the most important player In The country
And Trask has the highest rated SEC player to throw to...
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:24 pm to GatorBait24
I want to hear your actual argument, but I can't understand what you know if you don't tell me. I have said multiple times that I think Trask and Jones are close, but I'd personally give the edge to Jones for reasons that I have previously outlined. You also said you think Trask and Jones are close, but then you gave me your opinion that you think Trask is better at nearly every aspect of playing quarterback. Then, after I ask for what your actual argument is, you just said that everything I said was bullshite and that you know more than me.
I want to believe that you know what you're talking about, but you sound more like a massive homer than a knowledgeable former player.
I want to believe that you know what you're talking about, but you sound more like a massive homer than a knowledgeable former player.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:24 pm to GatorBait24
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That’s fair, you would feel dumb if you knew who I was though. There is a reason I get inside info. Whatever you say my guy.
You get Florida insider info? No wonder you are so homer.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:31 pm to Vestigial Morgan
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And Trask has the highest rated SEC player to throw to...
He didn't the past 2 1/2 games, and his numbers didn't dip at all.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:33 pm to lsufball19
Hurt/reeling UGA, Arky, Vandy
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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1. Patrick Surtain II (BAMA) (86.3) 2. Martin Emerson (MSU) (82.2) 3. Malachi Moore (BAMA) (80.9) 4. Josh Jobe (BAMA) (80.8)
We clearly have been bad on defense but it’s not because of Stingley and Ricks. PFF is full of shite if they think Moore and Jobe have been better than Ricks.
I am still taking Stingley 1000/1000 times over all 3 of those guys and it isn’t even close.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:59 pm to GatorBait24
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You trust PFF’s grading way more than I do. Have you seen who’s grading? Anthony Treash?? Yeah that’s a skeptical from me.
Yet you've used their grading in this thread to argue that Trask is better because his teammates aren't graded as high as Jones's.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:02 pm to TexasTiger88
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We clearly have been bad on defense but it’s not because of Stingley and Ricks
Ricks is rated #7. Stingley doesn't meet the minimum play threshold.
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PFF is full of shite if they think Moore and Jobe have been better than Ricks.
No, you just haven't watched Malachi Moore play football this year. Go ahead and ask around to anybody who has played against Alabama and see what they think.
Or, just look at actual stats for each team the QB throws at the WR that Moore and Ricks are guarding
Malachi Moore
44.8 Passer Rating
29/51 (56.9%)
243 yards
4.8 YPA
0 TD
3 INT
1 Forced Fumble
2.63 Yards After Catch Per Catch
Eli Ricks
65.9 Passer Rating
7/17 (41.2%)
122 yards
7.2 YPA
2 TD
3 INT
8.43 Yards After Catch Per Catch
Josh Jobe
58.9 Passer Rating
13/32 (40.6%)
83 yards
2.6 YPA
1 TD
0 INT
2.0 Yards After Catch Per Catch
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:07 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Yet you've used their grading in this thread to argue that Trask is better because his teammates aren't graded as high as Jones's.
It didn’t take long for him to talk his way into a trap.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Alabama linebackers absent from that list.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:10 pm to TS1926
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Alabama linebackers absent from that list.
Yep - Christian Harris is in the middle (good pass rush, good run D, bad pass D) and, as expected, Moses down at the bottom.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yep - Christian Harris is in the middle (good pass rush, good run D, bad pass D) and, as expected, Moses down at the bottom.
I agree and I think the last few weeks our DLine and secondary has improved. I just don't see a lot out of our middle linebackers still. AU had success in the middle of the field. A team like UF with their wheel routes and great TE play scares the Ess out of me.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:21 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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No, you just haven't watched Malachi Moore play football this year. Go ahead and ask around to anybody who has played against Alabama and see what they think.
Y’all have only given up 3 touchdowns to actual WRs all year, that’s actually pretty freaking impressive. So the other 2 must have been on Surtain.
Also for whatever reason I thought the Ole Miss game was a bunch of passing touchdowns but it was actually 4 rushing touchdowns for them and 2 passing touchdowns to their TE Yeboah.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:22 pm to TS1926
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I agree and I think the last few weeks our DLine and secondary has improved. I just don't see a lot out of our middle linebackers still. AU had success in the middle of the field. A team like UF with their wheel routes and great TE play scares the Ess out of me.
Yep - definitely. I've noticed that because of the improvement up front we've been freed up to play more 6 DB looks where we get Moore, Battle, Wright and Branch on the field at the same time, which allows us to stick Moore or Branch on the H-Back/RB out of the backfield.
I'd assume we'll try to do that against Florida and make them prove they can run on us in that look. Even then, the ball will find Harris and Moses
.Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:24 pm to TexasTiger88
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Y’all have only given up 3 touchdowns to actual WRs all year, that’s actually pretty freaking impressive. So the other 2 must have been on Surtain.
Also for whatever reason I thought the Ole Miss game was a bunch of passing touchdowns but it was actually 4 rushing touchdowns for them and 2 passing touchdowns to their TE Yeboah.
We had (still have) issues guarding the middle of the field against really good tight ends/backs (which is why Florida is scary for us) with our linebackers. Kiffin exploited the hell out of that. Almost ALL of their passing success was against our LBs and Safeties (who are both new starters and were really green at that point). I think they only had like 4-5 completions against cornerbacks, which is insane considering all their yardage.
We've been better in front 4 lately which has allowed us to play our talented young nickles/safeties more and coverage has been better.
But yea, our cornerbacks as a unit are probably the best we've had in the Saban era. Surtain gave up 1 pass TD to Tennessee on a tip your cap perfect throw. I think the other was to a WR that got matched on a LB.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:27 pm to atomic31
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want to hear your actual argument, but I can't understand what you know if you don't tell me. I have said multiple times that I think Trask and Jones are close, but I'd personally give the edge to Jones for reasons that I have previously outlined. You also said you think Trask and Jones are close, but then you gave me your opinion that you think Trask is better at nearly every aspect of playing quarterback. Then, after I ask for what your actual argument is, you just said that everything I said was bullshite and that you know more than me. I want to believe that you know what you're talking about, but you sound more like a massive homer than a knowledgeable former player.
I’ve listed reason after reason why I think Trask is better. I’ve listed reasons why the stats are what they are. You aren’t hearing any of it. So I ask you what do you want to hear? Will anything change your mind?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:31 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Yet you've used their grading in this thread to argue that Trask is better because his teammates aren't graded as high as Jones's.
As a way to say Bama has better players. I didn’t need PFF to tell me that. I’ve said nothing about the actual grades.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:34 pm to GatorBait24
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Fact
Willy?
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