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re: Pro Football Focus - Highest Graded SEC Players at each position in 2020
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:52 pm to GatorBait24
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:52 pm to GatorBait24
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I think Trask manipulates the pocket better. I think Trask reads defenses better. I think Trask throws receivers open better I think Trask throws a more catchable ball with touch I think Trask prepares better in the film room I think Trask does more with less by identifying matchups that other qb’s miss. I could keep going but you get my point. Everything Trask has control over he’s better than Mac. Mac sits there for 5 seconds and waits for his first read to come open. Hence why you don’t get shite out of Slade.
You’d think Trask would have a higher PFF grade if all of that were true.
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Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:52 pm to UMRealist
Which QBR just curious. I saw a weird stat that said Jones’ QBR was higher than Trask’s vs Kentucky and it made zero sense. Think it was espn’s.
Anyone want to explain that one to me? Thanks? How did subjectivity get into QBR ratings??
Anyone want to explain that one to me? Thanks? How did subjectivity get into QBR ratings??
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I wish we didn't have two true-freshman QBs and a dreadful OL because Gilbert would have put up ridiculous numbers for a freshman in a better situation. He's going to be a monster.
Jabril Cox being as high as he is surprises me. Despite his two INTs, he has stood out to me at all.
Pitts has to be one of the highest graded TEs ever right? a 96+ rating is just stupid good.
Jabril Cox being as high as he is surprises me. Despite his two INTs, he has stood out to me at all.
Pitts has to be one of the highest graded TEs ever right? a 96+ rating is just stupid good.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Must be a misprint. I don't see any Bama LBers listed. 
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:01 pm to 954gator
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How did subjectivity get into QBR ratings??
It's always had a subjective component. It weighs the "difficulty of each" play (not sure how they quantify that), discount stats in "garbage time" (not sure what they define as "garbage time"), and yards after the catch is based on the "typical yards after catch" (whatever that is), and there is a home field advantage component as well as a penalties attributed to the QB component. And, I believe, called running plays and scrambles are weighed differently as well. I really hate the QBR rating system to be completely honest as there are way too many un-quantifiable metrics used.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:01 pm to lsufball19
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Jabril Cox being as high as he is surprises me. Despite his two INTs, he has stood out to me at all.
I watched the game with my mom this weekend and she said "who is number 19? Why is he running away from the guy carrying the ball?"
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:04 pm to TigerLunatik
Cox has really good pass coverage numbers and really bad run defense numbers.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:05 pm to Crimsontide1713
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You’d think Trask would have a higher PFF grade if all of that were true.
PFF had Trask #49 in the preseason and are just now coming around that he’s top 3. They have a narrative they have tried to tie Trask too from the beginning. frick Anthony Treash and PFF. They were dead wrong on Trask and they are dead wrong on a lot more because they have interns watching college film, there NFL stuff is so much better.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:05 pm to TigerLunatik
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I watched the game with my mom this weekend and she said "who is number 19? Why is he running away from the guy carrying the ball?"
I expected a lot more out of him to say the least. When I heard some announcer say he was a 1st round guy, I thought to myself "have they watched him play at all this year, or are they just saying that because of what he did at ND State?" I honestly think he should have declared last year. He's probably cost himself some money in this shitshow of a defense.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:06 pm to GatorBait24
Everyone in here leary of PFF's grades is totally accurate.
They are hard to trust, to be honest, but I thought it was interesting to see where they had everyone nontheless.
They are hard to trust, to be honest, but I thought it was interesting to see where they had everyone nontheless.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:07 pm to atomic31
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so, a true "insider" would know how PFF grades work
Do you know how there big time throw algorithm works? I do and it’s complete bullshite and completely over rated. Anything else?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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really bad run defense numbers.
They didn't have big boys out there like that at North Dakota St.
It will be interesting to see what his draft grade will be and how much he's criticized for his lack of physicality.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:08 pm to lsufball19
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When I heard some announcer say he was a 1st round guy
He was a projected first rounder before the season. I would imagine the announcer was just going off of that.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:08 pm to GatorBait24
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PFF had Trask #49 in the preseason and are just now coming around that he’s top 3. They have a narrative they have tried to tie Trask too from the beginning. frick Anthony Treash and PFF. They were dead wrong on Trask and they are dead wrong on a lot more becathey have interns watching college film, there NFL stuff is so much better.
Burrow wasn't #1 in QBR until after the national title game, despite the video game numbers he put up last year. ESPN's FPI is even more ridiculous. Even after all the games were played last year, LSU still finished #3 behind OSU and Clemson, and the gap between LSU and OSU wasn't even that small. I really have no idea how they come up with some of the numbers they do.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:10 pm to GatorBait24
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Do you know how there big time throw algorithm works? I do and it’s complete bullshite and completely over rated. Anything else?
They post the metrics used in their algorithm (sort of), but it has way too many subjective components for it to mean much to anyone trying to decipher how they come up with the final numbers. A lot of people treat their rating as the gospel, but I think a lot of their ratings are based much more on pre-conceived biases than grading everyone from the same starting point.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:10 pm to TigerLunatik
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He was a projected first rounder before the season. I would imagine the announcer was just going off of that
He would be great in the Seahawks system, anyone who runs primarily cover 3. His coverage skills will travel to the NFL at linebacker. Just get him in the weight room. Dude can cover.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:12 pm to GatorBait24
I guess we're just throwing out data points now. Regardless of what you think about PFF, you haven't given me any reason to believe Trask is better than Jones other than what you think Trask is better at. We both know you are not an insider.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:13 pm to lsufball19
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They post the metrics used in their algorithm (sort of), but it has way too many subjective components for it to mean much to anyone trying to decipher how they come up with the final numbers.
Big time throws are +2 and making the right read to the open receiver is worth a big ole 0. This is why Trask is rated lower, he’s penalized for making the right read and not throwing a bunch of low window jump balls. Which he also does some. It’s completely ridiculous to not reward a QB for playing within his system and making the safest throw though.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:13 pm to GatorBait24
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He would be great in the Seahawks system, anyone who runs primarily cover 3. His coverage skills will travel to the NFL at linebacker. Just get him in the weight room. Dude can cover.
Yeah, I guess. I just don't see him as an every down linebacker at the next level. He'd have to be moved around in some sort of a hybrid role. His tackling leaves a lot to be desired. He has elite cover skills for a linebacker, but he also doesn't seem to have the speed or the coverage skills to play safety primarily either. I guess we'll see how he's used in the NFL.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:15 pm to atomic31
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guess we're just throwing out data points now. Regardless of what you think about PFF, you haven't given me any reason to believe Trask is better than Jones other than what you think Trask is better at. We both know you are not an insider
You’ve yet to hear anything because you don’t want too. Your opinion is different than mine and that’s fine but to act like I have no idea is ridiculous. I’ve played QB for 18+ years. Very few people know that position better than me on this board. You don’t have to agree I don’t care, but you have no idea what I know.
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