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re: Post rematch opinion

Posted on 1/22/12 at 10:59 am to
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
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Posted on 1/22/12 at 10:59 am to
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Prior tot he BCSNCG The LSU fans had a hard time admitting that the loser in a close game has a psychological advantage in a rematch.

Anyone who truly believed that was an idiot. When you have two equally matched teams in a rematch, the loser of the first game absolutely has the advantage ... especially when they've heard for 5 weeks that they do not belong there. As much as I wanted to see LSU leave no doubt as to who the better team was, my gut told me it was going to be a long night. I really hate it when I'm right.
Posted by CrimsonChin
the gutter.
Member since Feb 2010
5857 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:01 am to
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Anyone who truly believed that was an idiot. When you have two equally matched teams in a rematch, the loser of the first game absolutely has the advantage ... especially when they've heard for 5 weeks that they do not belong there. As much as I wanted to see LSU leave no doubt as to who the better team was, my gut told me it was going to be a long night. I really hate it when I'm right.



The game would still have been much different if Les had a QB that properly run an option play and throw the ball past the LOS.
Posted by LC412000
Any location where a plane flies
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:04 am to
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The game would still have been much different if Les had a QB that properly run an option play and throw the ball past the LOS.
I tend to agree with you on this point
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:05 am to
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Anyone who truly believed that was an idiot. When you have two equally matched teams in a rematch, the loser of the first game absolutely has the advantage ... especially when they've heard for 5 weeks that they do not belong there. As much as I wanted to see LSU leave no doubt as to who the better team was, my gut told me it was going to be a long night. I really hate it when I'm right.


very true


I do think that if it was 4 teams and 2 SEC teams won the semi's, then a rematch mental advantage wouldn't be as strong.

If Bama had to beat Okie State to make the final, I think LSU players mentally would have said ok, they won to get here so they are deserving

but then you get into another issue if it's four. The national media will scream to the heavens that the "rematch" has to occur before the final, meaning in the semi-final round....which is a total crock of shite IMO

if anything the teams from the same conference should be seperated as far as possible but if a plus one comes into effect, you could see SEC rematches in the semi's every fricking year which would suck beyond belief
Posted by CrimsonChin
the gutter.
Member since Feb 2010
5857 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:09 am to
That's why we should have an eight team playoff and find a way to incorporate this into the bowl games.
Posted by RollTigers
Member since Dec 2010
3274 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:10 am to
What does 'the best team' mean? Alabama obviously wasn't the best team, they lost to LSU. LSU obviously wasn't, they lost to Alabama. OK St and Stanford both lost, so they couldn't be the best.

Is it the best on the one day that they play? Because that argument doesn't work when you play twice. Is it the best over the whole season? Because then the championship game is pointless unless two teams have similar resumes. No teams could touch LSU's resume this last year. There is nothing at all that indicates to me that Alabama should have been in that game. Nothing at all indicates that Stanford or OK St should have either. I'm not saying that LSU should have played themselves (I wonder if JJ would start both ways, hah), but there wasn't another team that deserved to be there. It's a totally different discussion if LSU had lost to, say, Florida mid-year but still won out through the SEC champ game. Since LSU deserved to be in the game and no other team distinguished itself as deserving to be in, I view the game as an exhibition, especially if it's Bama in there. LSU already won that game, won the division, won the conference. Since they played Bama, the rematch was meaningless, so LSU effectively won the national title the moment Bama was selected.

LSU had nothing left to prove. I don't care what the voters say - if any service in the entire world says LSU is the champion, I'll point there and claim it. That's the way the sport has worked for over a hundred years. If I have to look to the Football Thesaurus published in 2049 to do so, I'll proudly do so the moment it comes out
Posted by northalabamacracker
Glasgow
Member since Sep 2011
6466 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:10 am to
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rematch put LSU clearly at a disadvantage mentally.



I agree, this LSU team didn't have the heart to play competitively in a BCSNCG.


quote:

Portions of that team didn't show on the 9th, starting with the OL, who's leader publicly said Bama didn't earn their spot, which was true





It was like Will Blackwell could just see the molestation coming before it even took place. I don't blame him for not wanting to play Bama again, especially since he got beat multiple times by Bama's backup, undersized NG in Nick Gentry.



The truth is, and I know the truth is the most unpopular thing on this message board, but the truth is Alabama was the better team and LSU was more lucky to beat them in Nov. than Alabama was to get into the BCSCG. And the voters knew that.
Posted by northalabamacracker
Glasgow
Member since Sep 2011
6466 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:17 am to
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If Bama had to beat Okie State to make the final, I think LSU players mentally would have said ok, they won to get here so they are deserving




I just have to keep agreeing with you on the mental weakness of this team and its lack of heart. I feel really sorry for these young men when life shows up and mentally they feel that its unfair so they just quit and don't show up like the BCSCG.

These are all good points you have made that LSU and Less have not prepared these young men to be fighters in football or life.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:17 am to
well 8 teams feels to me like it would suck some life out of the regular season

no one is going to be satisfied. We want to look at our pretty cake and eat it at the same time

I think the BCS works most seasons. I think it could certainly be more flexible. I would have been fine with just Bama/OSU playing a play in game this season. Stanford wasn't really worthy IMO.

Some seasons you might not even need the plus one. IMO you could add a little flexibility to the system and it would be fine. Use this year- Bama vs OSU in say the Peach Bowl with the winner facing LSU 12 days later in the BCSCG

you can shoot holes in that idea too, like any playoff idea really
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47841 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:19 am to
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When is the last time the best team wasn't bcs champ?

This year. Bama did not win their division nor the conference championship. They did not deserve to be in the NC game


This entire argument hinges on what the BCS NC game is supposed to be.

IF you take the side that the regular season represents the 'playoff' then Alabama didn't deserve to be there. The regular season 'playoff' had settled that issue. This stance does not care who the 'best' team is at the end of the year - it only rewards the team that survived the 'playoffs.'

IF you take the side that the the BCS system is supposed to find the 'best team' then the regular season results don't matter so much regarding head-to-head play. If other factors play out - such as other teams with similar records lose at inopportune times, then whole body of work of all teams ought to be eligible to get them into the game.

In my view, I want the BCS to find the BEST TEAM. So I do not object to the way this played out. Other teams lost when they shouldn't have to inferior opponents. Bama only lost to the 'best team in the nation' (at that time) - any other team would have also lost to LSU with that theory.

Now comes the BCS and we admit - the first game was very close - LSU came out ahead in OT - Saban got out coached - Bama got unlucky. So lets play one more game to see who is REALLY the best.

As far as I am concerned, the better team won. LSU is the second best team in the nation.

We could have been first - but Miles got outcoached - we got our asses handed to us.

End of 2011 - let's whip some bama arse in 2012!!!!!!!!
Posted by northalabamacracker
Glasgow
Member since Sep 2011
6466 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:23 am to
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Miles got outcoached - we got our asses handed to us.




Nice summary of your post.
Posted by CrimsonChin
the gutter.
Member since Feb 2010
5857 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:29 am to
Well stated. I think Bama did prove it was indeed the best team in college football this year although it was unfortunate that LSU had to play them again after winning in T-Town. I know that Bama coming so close in 08 gave the team extra motivation to prepare in the offseason and during practice to not be denied in 09 and I think the same may work for LSU in 12. Good luck.
Posted by toosleaux
Stuck in Baton Rouge traffic
Member since Dec 2007
9425 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:30 am to
Let me break it down in terms all of us can identify with. You remember when you were a teenager and there was that girl you wanted to frick so badly? Well we fricked her on 11/5/11. Getting the pussy the second time on 1/9/12 just wasn't as exciting for the boys and they got beat because of it. Simple as that.
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:31 am to
quote:

Anyone who truly believed that was an idiot. When you have two equally matched teams in a rematch, the loser of the first game absolutely has the advantage ... especially when they've heard for 5 weeks that they do not belong there. As much as I wanted to see LSU leave no doubt as to who the better team was, my gut told me it was going to be a long night. I really hate it when I'm right.


I can remeber three rematches in the last fifteen years. the team that won the first game won the second game two of those three times. your argument fails.
This post was edited on 1/22/12 at 11:33 am
Posted by SouthernB
Coastal Alabama
Member since Jan 2012
93 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:32 am to
So who should have been there? Okie lite? No conference championship game anymore and they lose to what ended up being a 6-6 team in IA State. No losses are good but which is better? A loss in OT to the then #1 team or a loss to a 6-6 team? What year was it again that LSU had 2 OT losses yet played for the NC? Y'all didn't scream about that but you are now because a 1 loss team played for the NC or is it because it's Bama? The best 2 teams in the nation played on 1/9 and that's what the BCS is set up for.
Posted by Aman
Alabama
Member since Mar 2010
5181 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:32 am to
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This entire argument hinges on what the BCS NC game is supposed to be. IF you take the side that the regular season represents the 'playoff' then Alabama didn't deserve to be there. The regular season 'playoff' had settled that issue. This stance does not care who the 'best' team is at the end of the year - it only rewards the team that survived the 'playoffs.' IF you take the side that the the BCS system is supposed to find the 'best team' then the regular season results don't matter so much regarding head-to-head play. If other factors play out - such as other teams with similar records lose at inopportune times, then whole body of work of all teams ought to be eligible to get them into the game.


The BCS title game is a two team playoff. The criteria to get there is to be one of the two teams based on the formula agreed upon by the BCS conferences. LSU fans need to STFU and quit blaming the rematch on why their team sucked it up on the biggest stage of the year. If your players can't find motivation to play and win that game then you have weak minded players who did not deserve to be there in the first place. They had numerous reason to be motivated.

1. Validation of the first game.
2. Chance to be remembered as one of the best teams ever.
3. Chance to win in their home state.
4. and most improtantly to be BCS champs.

If none of those things motivated them because they had to play a rematch then everyone of them should be kicked off the team.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55831 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:35 am to
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Getting the pussy the second time on 1/9/12 just wasn't as exciting for the boys and they got beat because of it.


So, on 1/9 your boys turned gay and got arse-pounded? Very interesting metaphor.
Posted by toosleaux
Stuck in Baton Rouge traffic
Member since Dec 2007
9425 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:35 am to
Says the dude with a picture of a Bama players dry humping another man. Oh the irony.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55831 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:36 am to
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Is it the best on the one day that they play? Because that argument doesn't work when you play twice. Is it the best over the whole season? Because then the championship game is pointless unless two teams have similar resumes. No teams could touch LSU's resume this last year. There is nothing at all that indicates to me that Alabama should have been in that game. Nothing at all indicates that Stanford or OK St should have either. I'm not saying that LSU should have played themselves (I wonder if JJ would start both ways, hah), but there wasn't another team that deserved to be there. It's a totally different discussion if LSU had lost to, say, Florida mid-year but still won out through the SEC champ game. Since LSU deserved to be in the game and no other team distinguished itself as deserving to be in, I view the game as an exhibition, especially if it's Bama in there. LSU already won that game, won the division, won the conference. Since they played Bama, the rematch was meaningless, so LSU effectively won the national title the moment Bama was selected.

LSU had nothing left to prove. I don't care what the voters say - if any service in the entire world says LSU is the champion, I'll point there and claim it. That's the way the sport has worked for over a hundred years. If I have to look to the Football Thesaurus published in 2049 to do so, I'll proudly do so the moment it comes o


You are very delusional...
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:36 am to

quote:

Getting the pussy the second time on 1/9/12 just wasn't as exciting for the boys and they got beat because of it.
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So, on 1/9 your boys turned gay and got arse-pounded? Very interesting metaphor.


Its an excuse, and a stupid one at that. Like i said, team that won the first game won the rematch two out of the last three times.
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