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re: Poll, who is the best returning RB in the SEC?

Posted on 1/16/11 at 5:45 pm to
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 5:45 pm to
You are talking in "ifs".

I can play that game too:

If our offensive line was good, Lattimore would have had 2,000 yards.

If Garcia didn't play like a drunk, Lattimore would have had 2,000 yards.


Let's stick to the facts: Lattimore > Davis.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 5:48 pm to
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Let's stick to the facts: Lattimore > Davis.

based upon what?
opinion polls that aren't even filled out by coaches?
the fact latt couldn't even tough out 1 full season? (if he had an injury that's one thing but he pretty much just pussed out of games to play next week)
The fact latt's stats are all products of number of touches
The fact latt doesn't have break away speed?
The fact that latt would be power runner if he didn't get set on his arse by anyone who could hit worth a damn?
Posted by arwicklu
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 5:49 pm to
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You are talking in "ifs".

I can play that game too:

If our offensive line was good, Lattimore would have had 2,000 yards.

If Garcia didn't play like a drunk, Lattimore would have had 2,000 yards.


Let's stick to the facts: Lattimore > Davis.


Davis had a lot more yards and almost 2 extra yards per carry. I agree the offense has something to say about the stats but it is hard to call Lattimore > Davis a fact.

Davis was awesome this year.

If you want to talk facts, then Davis has 1.7 more YPC and more rushing yards in less games played.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 5:55 pm to
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Davis had a lot more yards and almost 2 extra yards per carry. I agree the offense has something to say about the stats but it is hard to call Lattimore > Davis a fact.

Davis was awesome this year.

If you want to talk facts, then Davis has 1.7 more YPC and more rushing yards in less games played.


he doesn't want to talk facts....he wants everything to be subjective and looked at in a statistic less vacuum. I had a post that broke things down for him and when that hurt his argument, he ignored it. i even gave him the advantage of adding in receiving yards since latt can't run the ball well enough and they have to throw to him to get production.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 6:52 pm to
Talent:

Lattimore > Davis

Production:

Lattimore > Davis

While Davis was running up his numbers against fricking UTEP and Mississippi State, Lattimore was styling on Georgia, Florida, and Alabama.


Deal widdit.
Posted by SLC
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 7:20 pm to
Lulz. Stick to your guns.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 7:23 pm to


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Posted by sugatowng
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 7:29 pm to
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Lattimore was styling on Georgia, Florida,


lulz
Posted by sugatowng
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 7:29 pm to
Latt's legs are skinnier than Dmac
Posted by arwicklu
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 7:35 pm to
quote:

Talent:

Lattimore > Davis

Production:

Lattimore > Davis

While Davis was running up his numbers against fricking UTEP and Mississippi State, Lattimore was styling on Georgia, Florida, and Alabama.


Deal widdit.


Lattimore had about half his yards versus Florida, UGA, and Tennessee.

He had about 600 yards rushing in his other 11 games.

The guy is really talented, however he is being overrated a bit. His yards per carry averages were pretty mediocre based on other SEC backs and he was shut down by quite a few teams.

I realize he had some injury issues as well, however he averaged 37.8 yards (3.3 YPC) on the ground in their 5 losses. He isn't a guy that carried his team to victory every game like a Cam Newton.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 7:58 pm to
Our offensive line sucks brah. When he was shutdown/out of the game, our offense was meh at its very best.
This post was edited on 1/16/11 at 7:59 pm
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:32 pm to
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Talent:

Lattimore > Davis

can't prove that in any way
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Production:

Lattimore > Davis


only when he got 50 something more touches
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While Davis was running up his numbers against fricking UTEP and Mississippi State, Lattimore was styling on Georgia, Florida, and Alabama.


georgia and florida, i remember those teams they weren't good this year. State however had a good defense, davis also ran up his yard totals against USC this year, i guess your run defense was pitiful, don't forget him running down the field on LSU or ohio state.........
Posted by Woopigsooie20
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:37 pm to
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While Davis was running up his numbers against fricking UTEP and Mississippi State, Lattimore was styling on Georgia, Florida, and Alabama.


He had 150+ yards against the #1,#3 and #4 Rushing defense's in the SEC, and had 125+ against the #3 rushing defense in the country.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:42 pm to
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can't prove that in any way


You can't prove it wrong either

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only when he got 50 something more touches


If Davis was so great, wouldn't he have received more touches? I mean, after all, Bobby Petrino is an offensive mastermind right?

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State however had a good defense


Mississippi State gave up a whopping 10 rushing yards less per game than Florida, which might account for the fact that Lattimore torched their defensive front - which no matter what you piggies may believe is one of the best in the nation - for over 200 yards in the Swamp.

You are also ignoring the fact that Lattimore came in as a TRUE FRESHMAN and led all SEC running backs in total touchdowns even with what every one of you piggies seem to than is a horrible team.

Lattimore > Davis


FACT.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:49 pm to
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You can't prove it wrong either


i'm not arguing that, i'm saying no one here knows who is more talented. My argument is based off statistics and logic where yours is based upon opinion.
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If Davis was so great, wouldn't he have received more touches? I mean, after all, Bobby Petrino is an offensive mastermind right?


not his fault we have other competent players
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Mississippi State gave up a whopping 10 rushing yards less per game than Florida, which might account for the fact that Lattimore torched their defensive front - which no matter what you piggies may believe is one of the best in the nation - for over 200 yards in the Swamp.


fine less discuss this then. lattimore had 40 carries in the swamp to get is total of 212 yards. Davis had 30 for 182 yards against the better defense, took him 10 less carries to end up 30 yards short of latt's total against a better defense....
Posted by Woopigsooie20
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:52 pm to
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If Davis was so great, wouldn't he have received more touches?


Being injured early, and leaving the team because of his fathers death might do that to your carries.
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I mean, after all, Bobby Petrino is an offensive mastermind right?


Well, when you have

Ryan Mallett
Greg Childs
Joe Adams
Jarius Wright
Cobi Hamilton
DJ Williams

you can't give one guy all the touches.

Arkansas was the only team in the country with a 3000 yard passer, 1000 yard rusher and 5 receivers to have 500+ receiving yards.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 11:16 pm to
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My argument is based off statistics


Then why does Lattimore have more production? That's a statistical fact.

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not his fault we have other competent players


Takes the heat off of Davis. You just helped my argument.


No matter what way you try to spend it, everyone knows that Richardson and Lattimore are BOTH clearly better football players than Davis.

I have no idea why any of you backwater pig sty sunken pirates think that Davis is better and are trying to use the numbers when you are ignoring the fact that both Jeff Demps and Brandon Bolden have more rushing yards that Davis does.

If we went by your blind numbers method, than there are at least 4 backs definitely better than Davis.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 11:20 pm to
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4 backs definitely better than Davis.



name them. Use the stats i used and name the better backs.
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Then why does Lattimore have more production? That's a statistical fact.


due to the much much much larger number of touches
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No matter what way you try to spend it, everyone knows that Richardson and Lattimore are BOTH clearly better football players

no they don't. It seems to me your one of the few that thinks this.
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Takes the heat off of Davis. You just helped my argument.

because you guys don't have an offensive guru with a history of loving to throw the ball and a top WR
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 11:34 pm to
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name them. Use the stats i used and name the better backs.


Jeff Demps, Brandon Bolden, Marcus Lattimore, and Trent Richardson have all produced more yards than Davis. There may be more backs, but I know those 4 for a fact.

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due to the much much much larger number of touches


And he got those touches because he earned them and produced in them. Exactly how many of our games did you watch this year?

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no they don't. It seems to me your one of the few that thinks this.


Only Arkansas fans have been saying Davis is better. Everyone else has stated Richardson, Lattimore, Dyer or even Ware. There is a reason why only your fanbase is the only one spewing Davis's number.

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because you guys don't have an offensive guru with a history of loving to throw the ball and a top WR


According to your own fanbase, our offense is putrid and you have 5 NFL receivers on your roster. If that's true, then Davis should have easily gained 2,500 yards, right? Since he is the most talented back in the SEC, if not the nation, right?
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 11:41 pm to
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No matter what way you try to spend it, everyone knows that Richardson and Lattimore are BOTH clearly better football players than Davis.


Nope.
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