re: Piece of one of the infamous Cam Tapes.

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Think your point went right over their heads. In fact, after looking at the last few posts, I'm sure of it.

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Everything goes over their heads.

Their whole program is filled with crooks and liars, all the way from Lowder to Dye to the Newton's. It's no wonder they don't see what the rest of the nation can see.

With leaders/administrators like Lowder, former coaches that cheated (Dye), and financial supporters like Milton McGregor, and shady people like the Newton's entrenched in that program, how could they possibly know what the word "truth" means?

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Alahunter

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An Alahunter classic. When I prove a point, you change the argument.

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Auburn has lied and been busted 7 other times. They lied the last time with their AD and coach about paying players. He's an integral part of the scene now and Chiz openly welcomed him back. It's not beyond the realm of reason to believe that Auburn has gotten back to the Dye ways.

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No one has said it is beyond the realm of reason. The only point I was discussing is that proving Cecil (or Cam or Chiz or Dye, for that matter) is a liar =/= proving Cam's knowledge of Cecil's actions. That was the singular point I was making. I have already said it is more than reasonable for fans to believe Cam had knowledge.

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That would be on Cam and Auburn to show now. By siding unconditionally with Cam and his dad, when Chiz stated it was garbage and Cecil was good people, he linked himself to them. How they do it, is not of concern to me, but that is what people want, instead of silence and no comments.

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Another Alahunter special - mis-characterizing the facts and avoiding the question. Chiz's statement was directed directly at the release of Cam's educational records at FL. Also, one can not reasonably be expected to prove a negative. Especially, to prove the lack of knowledge, because it can't be done. If it can, explain how.

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An Alahunter classic. When I prove a point, you change the argument.

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You asked if Auburn could have known. I made an argument as to why I think they could have, based on their past history and the same people being an integral part of the program again.

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Another Alahunter special - mis-characterizing the facts and avoiding the question. Chiz's statement was directed directly at the release of Cam's educational records at FL. Also, one can not reasonably be expected to prove a negative. Especially, to prove the lack of knowledge, because it can't be done. If it can, explain how.

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Reread. I answered. I said how they prove themselves truthful is not up to me to decide. They dug the holes they put themselves in and discredited their own character, so it is on them to figure out how to gain the trust of people again.

I see that you now, do agree, that it's reasonable to believe Cam knew, and that his knowing would have made him ineligible. When you can admit that it was more likely than not, then we'll make real progress.

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Alahunter

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Simple question. Have you lied on 'numerous' occasions?

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You asked if Auburn could have known.

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No I didn't.

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Reread. I answered.

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No you didn't. You avoid the difficult questions by putting the burden on someone else. Sac up and answer the question yourself. What proof could someone, not just Cam, in a similar position provide of their lack of knowledge? Proving a negative is a near impossible task. Thus, the burden of proof is, by common sense, on the accusing party until there is a sufficient and equitable reason to shift it.

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When you can admit that it was more likely than not, then we'll make real progress.

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Based on my opinion, I have already admitted that in the past. However, if I am the NCAA, I need some evidence to point to his knowledge before I could rule that the evidence, as opposed to my cynical opinion, shows it is more likely than not.

FYI - John Bond is about to be on Scott Moore's show in about 5 minutes.

LOL, so Bamachick, they have you hook, line and sinker too huh?

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Simple question. Have you lied on 'numerous' occasions?

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Not in regards to the media or where hundreds of thousands of dollars have been in play. Nor has my dad tried to shop me around like a slave.

but the masters did, and that's what yall claim his dad tried to do, so that would equate Cam to being a slave by definition. That's the scenario newspapers and other fanbases played on when Albert Means was shopped around without his knowledge.