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re: One of these was targeting, one wasn’t

Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:25 am to
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:25 am to
The LSU defender was the one targeting. Also, #4 on LSU clearly targeted Milroe in the endzone. Crickets!!!
Posted by Exiled_Tidefan
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:26 am to
Agreed
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 10:27 am
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
46700 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:27 am to
Go take a dip and a swig of Canadian Hunter
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 10:28 am
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
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32298 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:28 am to
25 lowered his head because he knew he was about to get trucked.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22229 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:29 am to
The first thing you have to realize about this is 95% of the LSU fans who are arguing don't actually understand the rules. And, any time there's any room for interpretation, they're going to choose whichever side benefits them and their ability to make excuses.

Just pat them on their retarded little heads and move on. They get a kick out of the manufactured controversy. It's a substitution for actual success
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 10:30 am
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26442 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:30 am to
Your post:

quote:

One was a defenseless player.

One was not.

I’ll let you use your 2 brain cells to try and figure it out.


I'm just trying to educate you that the crown of the helmet hits / rule being discussed in the OP have ZERO to do with whether a player is defenseless or not. Defenseless player is literally not mentioned or part of the rule at issue (Rule 9, Section 1, Article 3). Your post clearly shows that you thought defenseless player status was the determining/distinguishing factor here which shows you did not know the rule.
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
8642 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:31 am to
quote:

One was a defenseless player.

One was not.

I’ll let you use your 2 brain cells to try and figure it out.



youre an idiot
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
32298 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:32 am to
The obvious thing to recognize is that no LSU fan is saying that if targeting was called it would have changed the outcome of the game. What we are pissed about is the lack of consistency with applying the rule and the fact that our QB is gonna be out for a while if not the rest of the year because of Bama’s tPOS with a history of targeting.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:33 am to
Why are you cherry picking which part of the rule is at issue?
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
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32298 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:35 am to
Ok
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:37 am to
“Leading with the crown of the helmet” is not subjective. There are stipulations in the rules that you thankfully posted.

I further expounded on the rule with my original post because the OP was ill informed.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 10:38 am
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26442 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:40 am to
quote:

Why are you cherry picking which part of the rule is at issue?


I'm not at all. There are two different targeting rules. One deals with "Making Forcible Contact with the Crown of the Helmet" (that's Rule 9-1-3). One deals with "Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless
Player" (that's Rule 9-1-4).

The hits being discussed in the OP deal with Rule 9-1-3. Rule 9-1-3 has NOTHING TO DO with a player being defenseless or not. It's simply not part of the rule AT ALL. However, your post showed that you thought defenseless player status was why one would be targeting and one would not. You were wrong. I can't explain it any more clear than this.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 10:42 am
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
32298 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:44 am to
quote:

This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below)

quote:

It's simply not part of the rule AT ALL

Jesus man. 9-1-4 note 2 is ALL about defenseless player.

Again. You’re cherry picking which part of the targeting rule to discuss and so is the OP even though he doesn’t even understand that rule.

Troll on. I’m done with you.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Member since Jan 2007
52890 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:47 am to
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now they won’t shut the frick up about it

Maybe it's a good strategy?
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26442 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:01 am to
quote:

Jesus man. 9-1-4 note 2 is ALL about defenseless player.


Yes, I taught you that in this very thread.
quote:



Again. You’re cherry picking which part of the targeting rule to discuss and so is the OP even though he doesn’t even understand that rule.


Nope, the OP clearly showed two crown of the helmet hits (Rule 9-1-3) that had nothing to do with forcible contact to the head or neck of a defenseless player (Rule 9-1-4). You conflated the two rules by talking about one player being defenseless when the other was not when that has nothing to do with the analysis for targeting under 9-1-3. You were trying to apply the rules of 9-1-4 which rule is not at issue at all here. You did this because you likely didn't realize there were two separate rules and you were conflating it all together. You can't do that. Nobody is cherry picking anything. Simply trying to help you understand the targeting rules so you won't keep messing this up.

quote:

Troll on. I’m done with you.


Good idea, you actually seem pretty intelligent so I think you have figured this out now.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 11:03 am
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
32298 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:03 am to
You’re a fricking retard.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26442 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:05 am to
quote:

You’re a fricking retard.



There it is. Let it out.
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4765 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:10 am to
Don't need any commentary for the hit by clemson LB. The first look for targeting is leading with crown of helmet. Looks pretty obvious there.
Posted by TheJuicey
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2019
3935 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:23 am to
Look, I was surprised that it wasn’t called/looked at for targeting. Big differences is that one is not defenseless, one is actively launching vs absorbing a hit, and one wears a neck brace because he always does that.

Last one is subjective but true, just like Toviano is a true freshmen that tackling poorly and is lucky to only have gotten knocked on his arse. Hope he learns and is taught to keep his head up. Literally if he does that there is no case for targeting.
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