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re: Ole Miss police looking for men who defaced James Meredith's statue

Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:53 am to
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:53 am to
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I hadn't thought of that angle, to a certain extent yes, it would reveal some underlying issues. Not sure which is worse.


I know what you mean. With the Old School you knew where things stood and how they were and could take appropriate steps. With the New School they hide it as best they can and that kind of racism can be more insidious because it never gets addressed in the light of day.
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:58 am to
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Thanks. Can they get them for trespassing or even criminal trespassing as well? I know UT pulls out that charge sometimes when students or strangers are going too far with shenanigans on campus.


I'm not sure if the University is able to civilly or criminally prosecute a student for trespassing.

Apparently the University wants to prosecute them under federal hate crime statutes which will obviously raise larger First Amendment claims, which raises a myriad of confusing issues. I'd love to hop on this gravy train
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:06 am to
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I'm not sure if the University is able to civilly or criminally prosecute a student for trespassing.

Apparently the University wants to prosecute them under federal hate crime statutes which will obviously raise larger First Amendment claims, which raises a myriad of confusing issues. I'd love to hop on this gravy train



No doubt it would be an interesting case that would go on for a while unless they cut a deal. My criminal justice prof. always used to say that campuses were like Indian Reservations in terms of jurisdiction and the complexity of rules and the multiple laws that can be applied.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:06 am to
The University is publicly funded....so that means this was defacing government property.
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:08 am to
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Especially when 25 large comes into play. I'd roll on absolutely anyone


I wouldn't rat on just anyone but you would have to be close family or one of my 4 or 5 closest friends to stop me

Oh and you better be SUPER nice to me for the next few months
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Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:16 am to
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I wouldn't rat on just anyone but you would have to be close family or one of my 4 or 5 closest friends to stop me

Oh and you better be SUPER nice to me for the next few months


I wouldn't rat anyone out for much of anything else but something like this - oh yeah. I'd be like give me that 25k and enjoy the trial racist POS.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:17 am to
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The University is publicly funded....so that means this was defacing government property.


Right, which is the last statute I posted.

Any competent defense attorney would motion to dismiss because the federal "hate crime" statute the University is seeking to prosecute under is overly broad. Also, any competent defense attorney would immediately raise a First Amendment claim as well.

SO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:21 am to
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Right, which is the last statute I posted.

Any competent defense attorney would motion to dismiss because the federal "hate crime" statute the University is seeking to prosecute under is overly broad. Also, any competent defense attorney would immediately raise a First Amendment claim as well.

SO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE


Damn. There's lawyers seeing dolla signs and then there's Tornado Alley. I'm not sure whether to seek you out as my attorney or run far away from you or condemn you.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:23 am to
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Damn. There's lawyers seeing dolla signs and then there's Tornado Alley. I'm not sure whether to seek you out as my attorney or run far away from you or condemn you.


I'm just a poor law school kid. Let me dream a little
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:23 am to
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I'm thinking that whichever University doesn't allow them in will be sued for discrimination themselves.


I don't think "people who are racists and defile statues" are a protected class. Discrimination is incredibly legal, like for instance discriminating against stupid people.
Posted by randomways
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:25 am to
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SO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE



From the kind of people who go around spray-painting inanimate objects and screaming racial slurs at them as a form of free expression? Somehow I doubt they have the deep pockets that makes a defense attorney's eye spin like a slot machine and pop up with dollar-sign pupils.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28446 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:25 am to
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I don't think "people who are racists and defile statues" are a protected class. Discrimination is incredibly legal, like for instance discriminating against stupid people.


I'm in law school, man. They teach us to play on both sides of the fence.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:27 am to
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I'm just a poor law school kid. Let me dream a little


You'll be in a super-bowl ad one day.

Seriously, how far along are you? I took a few law courses in grad school. Since I've already got law school credit I've been thinking of going back and getting a JD but right now I'm too lazy to study for the LSAT.
Posted by SpartyGator
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:27 am to
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BRAVEHEART


You're fricking terrible
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28446 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:28 am to
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From the kind of people who go around spray-painting inanimate objects and screaming racial slurs at them as a form of free expression? Somehow I doubt they have the deep pockets that makes a defense attorney's eye spin like a slot machine and pop up with dollar-sign pupils.


Likely upper middle to upper class white college students; I'd raise every single First Amendment claim possible; this incident will likely be subjected to ADRs as well.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:29 am to
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You'll be in a super-bowl ad one day.

Seriously, how far along are you? I took a few law courses in grad school. Since I've already got law school credit I've been thinking of going back and getting a JD but right now I'm too lazy to study for the LSAT.


2nd semester 1L.

Only do it if you really want to.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:30 am to
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I can see this going unsolved. I really doubt the clowns who orchestrated this would've told anyone.


If these guys live in a dorm, a fraternity house, or have another room mate or any guests into their house (the later of which is least likely), I don't see how they could keep it a secret if they even tried. Someone is going to notice that that flag is gone, and won't hesitate to turn them in for 25k. It would have to be in my very inner circle of friends to even consider not turning them in for such a price, and even then I'd be highly questioning if I wanted to continue being friends with them.

That said, no way these dumb fricks didn't brag about it the second it happened. Everyone on campus is going to be looking for a dumb Georgia male to where tracking him down shouldn't be all that difficult.
Posted by WhistlinDixie15
I make people sleepy
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:36 am to
Someone's best friend is SERIOUSLY considering the value if their friendship today
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
45541 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:37 am to
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2nd semester 1L.

Only do it if you really want to.



Ah so you're still in the grind work. Upper level courses are more fun.

I've always wanted a law degree. I have no idea why I didn't just go for it when I finished grad school. It opens up a lot of options.
Posted by Rig
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:39 am to
I'm not going back to read this thread but what are the odds that if I did I would find pivey being an arse?
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