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re: OL down field - Alabama
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:13 pm to assassin18
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:13 pm to assassin18
Don't know why I'm saying this again.. he left the receiver before the lineman was fully beyond the 3 yard mark:
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:14 pm to VivaZapata27
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Unless the lineman is interfering with the pass he should be able to be anywhere on the field he wants to be. If the only reason you have for opposing the lineman downfield is that it interferes with the dbs read key then it's asinine. There is a reason safeties are called safeties and not linebackers. i think they should do away with the rule entirely. Then the line judge can focus on real penalties like holding. Or they can just keep ignoring it which is fine by me.
Said by someone who obviously doesnt understand the game of football.
Other rules you probably don't understand or like.
1)Offense must have 5 players on the line of scrimage.
2) 5 players on the line of scrimmage are ineligible to catch a pass.
3) A covered(person on the line who has another person on the line to his right or left) is ineligible
All of three of those rules are designed to allow defenses to pick keys and assignments.
When you get some of these crazy formations where u get like 5 players spread out to one side or another each player has to tell the refs if he ON or OFF the line of scrimmage.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:17 pm to gamemc
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Don't know why I'm saying this again.. he left the receiver before the lineman was fully beyond the 3 yard mark:
The safety didn't
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:17 pm to assassin18
The corner blew it. Saban said as much. There is absolutely no way that he was reading the interior offensive line. He blew his coverage because he thought the quarterback was running, not because he thought the offensive line was run blocking. He might have an initial high hat read but his eyes leave the line immediately after that.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:17 pm to Presh
That ten yard gain should have been called back. So should the TD last Saturday. Happy?
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:23 pm to assassin18
The play saturday didn't happen because the DB saw the OL going downfield. He ran back toward the line because no one was out there to get the QB. However, 2 rules need to be changed.
1st, the OL are ineligible if they are further than 1 yard downfield. It's just too hard on the refs to see if the OL is more than 3 yards downfield so they just largely ignore it. 1 yard is much easier to see.
2nd, if any part of the QB crosses the line of scrimmage and then he throws it, it is a penalty. What I don't get is how the tip of the ball srosses the plane and it's a TD, a to touches the white and it's OOB, a helmet crosses the the LOS and it's offside, yet a QB can be 3/4 past the LOS and isn't considered past the LOS. It's just inconsistent.
1st, the OL are ineligible if they are further than 1 yard downfield. It's just too hard on the refs to see if the OL is more than 3 yards downfield so they just largely ignore it. 1 yard is much easier to see.
2nd, if any part of the QB crosses the line of scrimmage and then he throws it, it is a penalty. What I don't get is how the tip of the ball srosses the plane and it's a TD, a to touches the white and it's OOB, a helmet crosses the the LOS and it's offside, yet a QB can be 3/4 past the LOS and isn't considered past the LOS. It's just inconsistent.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:24 pm to gamemc
The play of the defense has absolutely nothing to do with the foul by the offense.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:28 pm to assassin18
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It should be reviewable
Nope it shouldn't.
What will change that will fix this play more than likely will be that the QB will have to throw the ball with both feet behind the line as opposed to only having to have his heal behind the line.
You will also likely see the rule change to where the distance the line can be downfield will be reduced to 2 yards while not engaged. Except on a screen play.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:33 pm to pvilleguru
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1st, the OL are ineligible if they are further than 1 yard downfield. It's just too hard on the refs to see if the OL is more than 3 yards downfield so they just largely ignore it. 1 yard is much easier to see. 2nd, if any part of the QB crosses the line of scrimmage and then he throws it, it is a penalty. What I don't get is how the tip of the ball srosses the plane and it's a TD, a to touches the white and it's OOB, a helmet crosses the the LOS and it's offside, yet a QB can be 3/4 past the LOS and isn't considered past the LOS. It's just inconsistent.
That is basically the NFL rule.
Although there are many inconsistent rules in football...
Another is...
If a team breaks huddle and heads toward the line with 12 men on the field its an illegal substitution penalty, BUT a No huddle team can go to the line and substitute to their hearts content.
Completely inconsitent.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:36 pm to assassin18
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That play saturday was ridiculous, why would the guy be WIDE open if everyone on the entire field didn't think it was a run.
The cornerback broke on the QB before the OLineman was downfield.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:42 pm to the808bass
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The cornerback broke on the QB before the OLineman was downfield.
The safety didn't. Either way...why are we talking about what the defense did? The play should have been called back for offensive pass interference (on #17) and ineligible receiver down field (the offensive lineman), because both were engaged with defensive players, more than three yards beyond the line of scrimmage, before the ball was thrown.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:00 pm to RollTide1987
Safety was reading Kelly the whole time. LINK
I know the play was illegal. I'm pointing out that the defense wasn't reacting to the block downfield. Still illegal and should have been called.
I know the play was illegal. I'm pointing out that the defense wasn't reacting to the block downfield. Still illegal and should have been called.
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why would the guy be WIDE open if everyone on the entire field didn't think it was a run
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:13 pm to VivaZapata27
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Unless the lineman is interfering with the pass he should be able to be anywhere on the field he wants to be. If the only reason you have for opposing the lineman downfield is that it interferes with the dbs read key then it's asinine. There is a reason safeties are called safeties and not linebackers. i think they should do away with the rule entirely. Then the line judge can focus on real penalties like holding. Or they can just keep ignoring it which is fine by me.
You couldn't be more clueless about football and the rules and the intent of the rules. The reason it's illegal for lineman to go down field is because it would be impossible for the defense to keep track of who a legal receiver is vs. who isn't.
What's sad is you are a complete homer. Had the blown call gone the other way you'd be complaining about it rather than defending it.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:14 pm to VivaZapata27
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The corner blew it. Saban said as much. There is absolutely no way that he was reading the interior offensive line. He blew his coverage because he thought the quarterback was running, not because he thought the offensive line was run blocking. He might have an initial high hat read but his eyes leave the line immediately after that.
Agreed, the corner did blow it.
Ole Miss also had offensive lineman illegally down field that the refs should have flagged negating the play.
They don't cancel each other out.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:20 pm to assassin18
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This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:26 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:27 pm to IAmReality
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What's sad is you are a complete homer. Had the blown call gone the other way you'd be complaining about it rather than defending it.
As would any fan of the team that got burned by it? Or let me guess you are one of the non-fanatical fans that just wants the game called fairly no matter what - right? LOL
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:27 pm to MastrShake
Hey look, another play that should have been penalized!
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:34 pm to IAmReality
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What's sad is you are a complete homer. Had the blown call gone the other way you'd be complaining about it rather than defending it.
So would you and every other Bama fan.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:40 pm to MastrShake
Looks to me Ryan Kelly is:
1) Right at three yards/a little over three yards from the line of scrimmage. Also keep in mind the ball is already in the air so he might have been in allowable area when the ball was actually thrown
2) He wasn't blocking or initiating contact with anyone.
3) Even if the above were not true, two wrongs still don't make a right.
1) Right at three yards/a little over three yards from the line of scrimmage. Also keep in mind the ball is already in the air so he might have been in allowable area when the ball was actually thrown
2) He wasn't blocking or initiating contact with anyone.
3) Even if the above were not true, two wrongs still don't make a right.
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