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Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:37 pm to Tds & Beer
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:37 pm to Tds & Beer
sorta sounds like State, to a degree... key pieces to replace off of a bad defense, breaking in a new coordinator, shifting on the OL, very good RB.
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Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:38 pm to engie
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I know if we were the team that lost 4 starting OL with the 5th was shifting from tackle to guard, an NFL RB, and several key pieces to one of the worst defenses in the country last year -- while breaking in two new coordinators -- I'd be really worried about this game. That's what we're playing against with THIS Ok State team...
Okie State ain't Mississippi State. Linemen and backs in that system are plug 'n' play. With the way they reel off quick passes out of the shotgun, all they need are offensive linemen who can keep the quarterback standing upright for a second and a half and running backs who can sell the play action as legitimate running threats.
They don't use road graders and bruisers. Their offense in 2013 won't regress too much from what it was last season, if at all.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:40 pm to DCRebel
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Linemen and backs in that system are plug 'n' play.
Maybe backs but linemen are never plug n play in any system. That is dumb. Even if you can get the pass off really quick there will always be a few key plays where you need extra time.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:40 pm to cornstarch
I don't think it's an interesting matchup. I think OSU will go up and down the field all day on MSU.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:43 pm to NIH
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Maybe backs but linemen are never plug n play in any system. That is dumb. Even if you can get the pass off really quick there will always be a few key plays where you need extra time
let's be honest...with state's pass rush (or lack there of), time to throw shouldn't be an issue.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:45 pm to cornstarch
If Mississippi state beats Oklahoma state I will be shocked. OSU has just been a better team over the past few years, and even though they had a mediocre year last year they are still a dangerous team.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:46 pm to engie
quote:I'm not sure where you pulled this from.
I know if we were the team that lost 4 starting OL with the 5th was shifting from tackle to guard, an NFL RB, and several key pieces to one of the worst defenses in the country last year
Every source I've read says they're returning 14-17 starters. And only one of the starting OL have been in the program for less than 3 years.
LT Devin Davis - RSSO
LG Brandon Webb - RSSR
C Jake Jenkins - RSJR
RG Parker Graham - RSSR
RT Daniel Koenig - RSJR
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Every player listed as an offensive starter on the post-spring depth chart has started at least one game in his career, while six of the seven most experienced Cowboys in terms of career starts reside on the defensive side of the ball in linebacker Shaun Lewis (32 career starts), cornerback Justin Gilbert (26 career starts), safety Daytawion Lowe (26 career starts), linebacker Caleb Lavey (26 career starts) defensive tackle Calvin Barnett (13 career starts) and safety Shamiel Gary (13 career starts). Four potential first-time starters are listed on the post-spring depth chart in defensive ends Tyler Johnson, Jimmy Bean and Trace Clark and also linebacker Ryan Simmons.
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Okie Light lost their QB to transfer so this might be winnable.
quote:If you mean the least experienced QB that threw the least of the three and had the worst stats, sure, they lost him. Not sure why that matters though.
At quarterback, Wes Lunt, J.W. Walsh and Clint Chelf are all listed equally after each player led OSU to conference wins in 2012. Lunt, Walsh and Chelf made Big 12 history last year by becoming the first three quarterbacks from the same team to pass for 1,000 yards in a season. That feat hadn't been accomplished at any school in the country since 1996.
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:50 pm to lowspark12
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let's be honest...with state's pass rush (or lack there of), time to throw shouldn't be an issue.
Like Auburn fans know all too well, our pass rush was the victim of underperforming talent. Our line is loaded with four and five star players. If a few guys can step up we should be much improved up front.
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:51 pm to slayerxing
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If Mississippi state beats Oklahoma state I will be shocked. OSU has just been a better team over the past few years, and even though they had a mediocre year last year they are still a dangerous team.
They lost to Iowa fricking State in 2011 with their best team in program history. They are no unbeatable juggernaut.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:53 pm to GatorReb
nice avi
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:54 pm to cornstarch
If State can
A. Rush the passer
B. Run the football
they have a good shot. If they cant control the ball/clock and OSU gets that offense going it could get out of hand though.
In all honesty, should be a solid game.
A. Rush the passer
B. Run the football
they have a good shot. If they cant control the ball/clock and OSU gets that offense going it could get out of hand though.
In all honesty, should be a solid game.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:56 pm to NIH
of course not, but neither was Northwestern... another pass-happy team with a mediocre defense. I don't think this is a good matchup for state, with teh inexperience in the secondary.
Should be an interesting game none the less... oSu won't blow out state, that much I'm certain.
Should be an interesting game none the less... oSu won't blow out state, that much I'm certain.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:57 pm to joeyb147
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I'm not sure where you pulled this from.
Every source I've read says they're returning 14-17 starters. And only one of the starting OL have been in the program for less than 3 years.
That's just engie being engie.
He's been spouting that same lie on several message boards. Every source I've seen has them returning three starters on the OL. Just a little checking would verify that they are not replacing 4 starting OL and shifting another as engie claims.
However, be prepared for him to throw up a deluge of stats and other BS to "prove" his point.
That's just what he does.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 12:59 pm to lowspark12
Our defense played well enough against Northwestern to win, 4 INTS from Russell had more to do with us losing than their offense.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 1:03 pm to NIH
true... and the athleticism oSu has is significantly better than NW. MSU will be improved on defense, though... I have no doubt... don't think it will be enough, but we'll see.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 1:04 pm to lowspark12
I think you'll see Dak come in for a drive to catch OSU off-guard in the first half and hopefully control the clock for a bit.
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 1:07 pm to Tds & Beer
I hope Robinson gets plenty of touches. I'm tired of Ladarius Perkins.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 1:09 pm to NIH
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hope Robinson gets plenty of touches.
Me too. Griffin was coming into his own last season before the injury.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 1:10 pm to bigpapamac
I expect the same thing from the 2013 Dan Mullen team as I have for the previous 4 years.
Tyler Russell going 3 and out and not being able to complete a pass to keep momentum going. Russell throwing several interceptions and coughing up a few fumbles after the OT's fail to block the rusher.
Fred Ross the WR that committed to Oklahoma State that flipped to us on signing day sitting on the bench or being red shirted even though we have nothing but stone handed WR's that can't get separation and catch the ball.
Dak Prescott sitting on the bench and not replacing Tyler Russell or early enough. If and when Prescott comes in Mullen will run him and not let him throw and we will not get said yardage for the first downs.
I expect the defense to have their hands on their hips trying to catch their breathe in the 1st quarter just like they did last year against A&M. Mullen won't condition them for 80+ offensive play teams. I expect our DB's to leave receivers wide open and linebackers not covering backs. No one able to get to the OSU quarterback to pressure or sack him.
Our special teams giving up big returns, our kicker missing field goals and extra points and our punter shanking a few.
You can count on Gundy to run the score up to prove that the Big XII is superior and you can expect Dan Mullen to say how good OSU is. Then Mullen will pull a "MACK BROWN" and claim we are a young team.
I will be surprised if we do better than 3-8 this year. I have no doubt Mullen will get another year to right the ship before we finally can him and hire another over rated coach. Have I left anything out?
Tyler Russell going 3 and out and not being able to complete a pass to keep momentum going. Russell throwing several interceptions and coughing up a few fumbles after the OT's fail to block the rusher.
Fred Ross the WR that committed to Oklahoma State that flipped to us on signing day sitting on the bench or being red shirted even though we have nothing but stone handed WR's that can't get separation and catch the ball.
Dak Prescott sitting on the bench and not replacing Tyler Russell or early enough. If and when Prescott comes in Mullen will run him and not let him throw and we will not get said yardage for the first downs.
I expect the defense to have their hands on their hips trying to catch their breathe in the 1st quarter just like they did last year against A&M. Mullen won't condition them for 80+ offensive play teams. I expect our DB's to leave receivers wide open and linebackers not covering backs. No one able to get to the OSU quarterback to pressure or sack him.
Our special teams giving up big returns, our kicker missing field goals and extra points and our punter shanking a few.
You can count on Gundy to run the score up to prove that the Big XII is superior and you can expect Dan Mullen to say how good OSU is. Then Mullen will pull a "MACK BROWN" and claim we are a young team.
I will be surprised if we do better than 3-8 this year. I have no doubt Mullen will get another year to right the ship before we finally can him and hire another over rated coach. Have I left anything out?
Posted on 7/17/13 at 1:10 pm to NIH
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I hope Robinson gets plenty of touches. I'm tired of Ladarius Perkins.
Don't sleep on Milton, Adrian Peterson's protege'
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