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re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:20 pm to captdalton
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:20 pm to captdalton
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According to Wilipedia Kelly was 92-39 at Notre Dame.
Kelly was 113-40 on the field at Notre Dame, they vacated some games which is why Wikipedia gives that record.
Some people count the vacated wins, some do not.
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:23 pm to captdalton
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Use your superior logic to explain this.
Record vs. top 25 teams.
2022 - Freeman: 4-2; Kelly: 2-2
2023 - Freeman: 3-2; Kelly: 1-3
2024 - Freeman: 7-1; Kelly: 1-3
In three seasons Freeman doesn’t have a losing record against top 25 opponents. Kelly doesn’t have a winning record against them. Overall Freeman is 14-5 while Kelly is 4-8. Ouch.
That strawmen just beat the hell out of Kelly
It doesn't take "superior logic," just common sense.
Kelly took over a rebuild, Freeman didn't so there should be a descrepancy.
Also, many of Freeman's ranked wins are coming over service academies and teams like Louisville and Indiana, teams where they have the talent advantage.
Who have they won over where they didn't have the talent advantage? Clemson in his first year and Georgia?
BK so far has just the one win over Bama.
On the flip side, Freeman has more losses vs unranked opponents.
This post was edited on 6/10/25 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:34 pm to JayAg
quote:He is not elite. He is serviceable. Consistent. And that is what we needed when CEO imploded and burned the program to the ground.
how elite he is sold as
Will not shed one tear if we (eventually) move on from him.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 3:14 pm to JayAg
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We are just giving LSU a few Kelly stats that challenge how elite he is sold as.
No one has said Kelly is elite.
This is another strawman that you've created to then argue against.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 3:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
So your official answer as to why Marcus Freeman has such a better record against ranked teams than Brian Kelly is Brian Kelly? Hey, we agree that Brian Kelly is the reason. But for very different reasons.
In the new portal age of football, the whole idea of multi year rebuilds is a myth. But assuming Brian Kelly is in a 4 year rebuild, explain why his first season at LSU was his most successful? And why year three was his worst? So far at least.
His results have progressively gotten worse each season. If he is rebuilding, shouldn’t his record and results be improving each year instead of getting worse? Based on the trajectory he is on, combined with the expectations of LSU fans, this year could get ugly in Baton Rouge.
In the new portal age of football, the whole idea of multi year rebuilds is a myth. But assuming Brian Kelly is in a 4 year rebuild, explain why his first season at LSU was his most successful? And why year three was his worst? So far at least.
His results have progressively gotten worse each season. If he is rebuilding, shouldn’t his record and results be improving each year instead of getting worse? Based on the trajectory he is on, combined with the expectations of LSU fans, this year could get ugly in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 3:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
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On the flip side, Freeman has more losses vs unranked opponents.
This is true. In three seasons at Notre Dame, Freeman has lost 4 games against unranked opponents. In three seasons at LSU, Kelly has lost 3 games to unranked teams.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 3:56 pm to SidewalkTiger
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No one has said Kelly is elite.
Not but you constantly trot out Kelly’s winning percentage. You constantly brag that it is the second best in the SEC. Again, this is one of your semantic shitpies. You tell everyone how elite Brian Kelly’s winning percentage is. That he is the winningest coach in Notre Dame history (even though the official record book says otherwise). You brag about all his 10 win seasons. You brag about all of his great losses. But you then turn around and say “but I didn’t say he was elite”. Just another example of you moving goalposts and crawfishing from something you said earlier.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 3:56 pm to captdalton
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In the new portal age of football, the whole idea of multi year rebuilds is a myth.
That's an opinion, not really a fact.
It would take a lot of luck to build a .500 team into a real playoff contender in a year or two. Maybe possible in a lesser conference but would be extremely tough in the SEC.
The SEC teams in the playoff this past year all had coaches that had been there at least 4 seasons.
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His results have progressively gotten worse each season. If he is rebuilding, shouldn’t his record and results be improving each year instead of getting worse?
This isn't really necessarily true, at least from a record standpoint.
He went 9-3 in the regular season in 2022, did the same in 2023. Won the bowl game both years.
Took a step back to 8-4 in 2024, I'd put a lot of that on having an inexperienced quarterback, Jayden Daniels probably squeezes another win or two out of that season.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:02 pm to captdalton
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Not but you constantly trot out Kelly’s winning percentage. You constantly brag that it is the second best in the SEC.
It is, that's factual.
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You tell everyone how elite Brian Kelly’s winning percentage is.
I've never said it's elite, I've just said it's second best in the SEC currently.
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That he is the winningest coach in Notre Dame history (even though the official record book says otherwise).
100% false
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You brag about all his 10 win seasons.
100% false
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You brag about all of his great losses.
I've said his natty/playoff losses were to better opponents than Freeman faced in the playoff last season, that's about it.
It seems like the majority of the issues you have with me are based on statements I literally never made.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:04 pm to captdalton
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In the new portal age of football, the whole idea of multi year rebuilds is a myth
This thought of having an instant long-term successful program through the portal is also a myth.
You still have to build a program through recruiting and then supplement through the portal to fill the gaps.
Kelly has now had 3 full recruiting cycles to build the foundation and depth and, this offseason, LSU opened the checkbook and filled in gaps via the portal.
Us Kelly "defenders" will either be proven right, this season, or we will join all you haters if he misses playoff again.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:13 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It would take a lot of luck to build a .500 team into a real playoff contender in a year or two
Arizona State
2023: 3-9
2024: 11-3 playoff participant
Indiana
2023: 3-9
2024: 11-2 playoff participant
SMU
2022: 7-6
2024: 11-3 playoff particpant
You sure about that?
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:16 pm to captdalton
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Arizona State
2023: 3-9
2024: 11-3 playoff participant
Indiana
2023: 3-9
2024: 11-2 playoff participant
SMU
2022: 7-6
2024: 11-3 playoff particpant
You sure about that?
Once again, you're struggling with reading and comprehension.
My statement:
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It would take a lot of luck to build a .500 team into a real playoff contender in a year or two. Maybe possible in a lesser conference but would be extremely tough in the SEC.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It would take a lot of luck to build a .500 team into a real playoff contender in a year or two.
This is what you posted. It was proven false. Deal with it.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:24 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Maybe possible in a lesser conference but would be extremely tough in the SEC.
By the way, Indiana is in the Big 10. With two straight national champs not even you can argue they are a lesser conference than the SEC. So you are wrong whichever way you try to spin it.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:24 pm to captdalton
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This is what you posted. It was proven false. Deal with it.
Sure, we wil add it to the rest of the strawmen you've built here from statements taken out of context.
I'm just trying to figure out why me defending Kelly triggers you so much?
It's not like I'm creating topics about Kelly being the GOAT or something, I'm just responding to troll attempts.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:27 pm to SidewalkTiger
Maybe it isn’t Kelly who we dislike so much, but you. Have you considered that?
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:29 pm to captdalton
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By the way, Indiana is in the Big 10. With two straight national champs not even you can argue they are a lesser conference than the SEC. So you are wrong whichever way you try to spin it.
Again, my statement, since you keep taking it out of context:
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It would take a lot of luck to build a .500 team into a real playoff contender in a year or two. Maybe possible in a lesser conference but would be extremely tough in the SEC.
I never said it was impossible, I said it'd take a lot of luck.
And would be extremely tough in the SEC.
2024 Indiana had a lot of luck, they got an extremely fortuitous scheduling draw
They didn't beat a single ranked team and only beat two teams who even had winning records.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:30 pm to captdalton
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Maybe it isn’t Kelly who we dislike so much, but you. Have you considered that?
What do you dislike about me?
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:33 pm to SidewalkTiger
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What do you dislike about me?
Everything.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 4:34 pm to captdalton
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Everything.
I can't imagine letting an e-persona getting to me that much but it's pretty easily solved, just ignore me.
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