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re: No flame: How did Jimbo’s FSU go from dominant to getting run out of the ACC?
Posted on 8/13/21 at 2:53 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Posted on 8/13/21 at 2:53 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Personal issues, bad OL recruiting/lack of development, and FSU being poor.
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 2:59 pm to Farmer1906
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There are currently 27 head coaches with at least 10 years under their belt. He's 3rd on the list in winning % behind Dabo & Saban. He's ahead of Brian Kelly, David Shaw, Mack Brown, Les Miles, James Franklin, Jim Harbaugh, etc. He's got a national title and several top 10 finishes. If that isn't impressive then anything that isn't Saban won't impress you.
My point is, this isn't some unkown up and comer. This is an estalished coach in the upper echelon. Its not a debate.
Any decent recruiter would have a ton of wins if they spent 75% of their career at an upper echelon program in the ACC.
Les Miles wasn't a great head coach by any stretch of the imagination but had a .770 record at LSU in the SEC West while Jimbo had a .783 record in the ACC.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:01 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Petrino broke him. 62-20
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:01 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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bad OL recruiting/lack of development
Any word why their OL coach suddenly shite the bed at the end there?
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:02 pm to Farmer1906
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This is an estalished coach in the upper echelon. Its not a debate.
That is like saying Les Miles is an upper echelon coach and it is not debatable, I would suggest it is...
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:04 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Any word why their OL coach suddenly shite the bed at the end there?
I don't know. There are some FSU posters on the MSB that can probably answer you.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:17 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Any decent recruiter would have a ton of wins if they spent 75% of their career at an upper echelon program in the ACC.
If that is the case then why hasn't anyone else done it? It seems like such an easy gig.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:19 pm to Farmer1906
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If that is the case then why hasn't anyone else done it? It seems like such an easy gig.
Who exactly do you mean by "anyone else?"
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:26 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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No flame: How did Jimbo’s FSU go from dominant to getting run out of the ACC?
Dabo and Jimbo were pretty well established in the ACC for a few years and FSU was the only king in that conference. How was clemson able to sling shot past fsu so quickly and turn it into the program it is now?
It seems to me that for starters people seem to overstate the power of FSU. They act like they were ripping off national championships every year under bowden, but it was more like they were a top5/10 team most years.
When FSU won the national championship under Jimbo, it was the first time in 14 years they had done so.
Then Alabama knocked out their star QB for the entire year. They already had OL problems, and in the trenches is where it starts. So they had a poor 7-6 season.
Then he left.
Now, if you are going to troll about that 7-6 season and pretend it's a huge deal, the main thing you should know is FSU went 7-6 under bowden the year before Fisher took over. It's not like they never had seasons like this.
And then after that, FSU just made stupid coaching hires. I have no idea why they thought Taggart would be a good coach. They are to blame.
So in short, your premise is bullshite.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:28 pm to SidewalkTiger
Bobby Bowden, post ACC expansion: 21-19 in conference play. He was a decent recruiter IIRC
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:29 pm to SidewalkTiger
If it was simple then why isn;t there a bunch of coaches who dominated the ACC.
Currently, you have Dabo & Jimbo.
Mack Brown did well before and looks to be doing well again. He's still below your threshold though.
The next potential guy is Mike Norvell, but he didn't even get close in the G5 world.
No one else is anywhere close.
Currently, you have Dabo & Jimbo.
Mack Brown did well before and looks to be doing well again. He's still below your threshold though.
The next potential guy is Mike Norvell, but he didn't even get close in the G5 world.
No one else is anywhere close.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:35 pm to Farmer1906
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If it was simple then why isn;t there a bunch of coaches who dominated the ACC.
Bobby Bowden was pretty good in the ACC, so was Jimmy Johnson and several others.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
Jimmy Johnson didn’t coach in the ACC kiddo. Also those are two legendary college coaches. Where are these decent recruiters/coaches that are dominating the ACC
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:43 pm to SidewalkTiger
Bowden has been out of coaching since 2009. Even though he's one of the greatest coaches of all time, he just barely makes your .750 mark at .756 at FSU.
Johnson was last in the ACC in 1988. EDOT: He was Indy when at Miami. Not ACC.
I guess it takes more than a decent recruiter to win games. Or maybe there just aren't any decent recruiters out there.
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It looks like you found one example.
Johnson was last in the ACC in 1988. EDOT: He was Indy when at Miami. Not ACC.
I guess it takes more than a decent recruiter to win games. Or maybe there just aren't any decent recruiters out there.
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It looks like you found one example.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:49 pm to Farmer1906
What I read was that the top dogs at FSU promised to build first class facilities and they didn’t do it. He was awol for a time before he left for A$M.
That is the short version.
That is the short version.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 3:56 pm to Herman Frisco
If you want to give the long version, I'd read it.
It's one of the major reasons we were able to pull him when 99% of the football world said he'd never leave. FSU wasn't giving him the support he wanted/needed. We gave him a record-breaking contract, just built the best stadium in CFB, and had plans to continue to do what was needed. Look for A&M to announce 90 M in upgrades soon plus give Jimbo a new contract.
It's one of the major reasons we were able to pull him when 99% of the football world said he'd never leave. FSU wasn't giving him the support he wanted/needed. We gave him a record-breaking contract, just built the best stadium in CFB, and had plans to continue to do what was needed. Look for A&M to announce 90 M in upgrades soon plus give Jimbo a new contract.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 4:00 pm to Farmer1906
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just built the best stadium in CFB
Posted on 8/13/21 at 4:02 pm to Farmer1906
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Look for A&M to announce 90 M in upgrades soon
Posted on 8/13/21 at 4:14 pm to KingofTexas
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You have to be a pretty shitty coach to frick up FSU. He realized he had killed the program so he pulled up his skirt and left.
Now he is doing the same thing to A&M and those jabronies are paying him millions to do it.
That is what A&M does ever since Slocum was forced out. Franchione, Sherman, and Fisher are all the same. Overpay for a big name who is supposed to create a dynasty. Rinse. Repeat.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 4:15 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
You are correct on all things. Poor is a relative term. Considering the age of the University and the male alumni population, we are in better shape than most. The last Athletic Director was terrible, Diversity Hire, who in turn made the diversity hire with Taggert. The decision to join the ACC did not reap the financial rewards from Basketball as everyone one had planned. Add in the fact of the idiot Swofford running the ACC and having “Carolina on his mind” just added fuel to a fire.
There were and are issues. Jimbo wanted to tear down Dick Howser Stadium and build a football only facility. I am sure as a Gator you are familiar enough with FSU Baseball to know that was never going to happen. FSU was never going to tear down a stadium named after an Alum who was Coach at FSU, managed the Yankees and managed the World Series Champion KC Royals.
Real football at FSU started in 1947. We have done pretty dadgumm good considering all things. FSU needs more male alums donating and the ACC to get their shite together, or FSU becomes a member of the SEC where we should have been all along.
There were and are issues. Jimbo wanted to tear down Dick Howser Stadium and build a football only facility. I am sure as a Gator you are familiar enough with FSU Baseball to know that was never going to happen. FSU was never going to tear down a stadium named after an Alum who was Coach at FSU, managed the Yankees and managed the World Series Champion KC Royals.
Real football at FSU started in 1947. We have done pretty dadgumm good considering all things. FSU needs more male alums donating and the ACC to get their shite together, or FSU becomes a member of the SEC where we should have been all along.
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