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Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:36 pm to
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:36 pm to
If we can win our game on Thursday, I imagine that could move us out of a play-in game and drop BYU to a play-in.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:54 pm to
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If we can win our game on Thursday, I imagine that could move us out of a play-in game and drop BYU to a play-in.



Possibly. There is no telling how the committee will examine the data.

On one hand, you can't say the SEC is weak, therefor the last teams in only deserve play in games while pumping up the mid-major for beating the bottom tier SEC type teams while ignoring a team like Auburn beat Clemson and BC who beat Cuse and Duke. You can't say the #1 team in the country by the eye test hasn't been tested in league play, even tho they haven't lost while saying WSU is deserving of a #1 seed for going undefeated in a one bid league while beating bottom tier SEC team's counting as a "good win" while the same teams are a "bad loss" for SEC teams.

The seeding and brackatology is like recrootin' rankins. It is easy to identify the 5*s (1-4 seed) and 2*s (13-16 seeds), the majority will agree with the 4*s (5-9 seeds), when you get to the 3*s opinions will vary which ones are closer to 4*s and which to 2*s.

It is bullshite any team has to play Dayton in Dayton during the first round of the tourney.
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:25 pm to
The play in games are bullshite to begin with.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:29 pm to
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The play in games are bullshite to begin with.



They are not "play in games".

It is a 68 team bracket which means 64 teams have a first round bye because of the size bracket that is actually used to make it work. (124 team I believe)

That is like saying tomorrow night's games are "play in games" into the SECT because the league is using a 24 team bracket to give the top four teams a bye. (16 team bracket would leave only the top two with a bye).
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 11:31 pm
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:08 am to
The Providence/St. Johns matchup could be an actual play OUT game. If either team loses they are out, but a win doesn't necessarily get either one in the tournament.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:12 am to
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The Providence/St. Johns matchup could be an actual play OUT game. If either team loses they are out, but a win doesn't necessarily get either one in the tournament.


I think it is more of ESPN trying to draw viewers to watch the first rounds of these tourneys.

Lunardi sets it up with teams on the bubble in/out and low and behold these teams play each other or could play each other in the early rounds of the tourney meaning these early round games are of great importance towards the NCAA field. Its becomes a "must win" for both teams etc.

Then the talking heads get to spend a week talking out both sides of their mouth about what will happen, a win means in, but not an out for the loser, etc.

Create interest, draw viewers, sell advertising.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:20 am to
In this case it would actually make sense for ESPN not to hype the Big East tournament. They dropped the Big East and now Fox Sports 1 is showing every game.

If it was just about advertising, ESPN wouldn't mention the Big East tournament at all, just like they don't ever talk about the Cotton Bowl.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:36 am to
St. Johns is a NYC team, lots of people live in NYC and will tune in to watch ESPN talk about NYC teams.

Notice that game isn't getting near the hype of a "play in game" like Arkansas/Tennessee who will air on ABC? They will talk about St. John's/Providence, but have not went into as great of a breakdown as Arkansas/Tenn. Lunardi also has Arkansas/Tenn "in" and St. Johns/Providence "out".
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:20 am to
CBS is predicting ULL to get to the Sun Belt championship game, if they could win that it would be nice for us. Just to have another tournament team on our resume, even if it is an auto bid.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:25 am to
Yeah, Highpoint fricked us over by not winning their conference tourney.



ULL winning the sunbelt would steal another bid from the NIT, Georgia St. was 17-1 in conference play.

Any major upsets in the remaining tourneys could lead to seeing two of Ole Miss/LSU/UGA with no post season play.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:47 am to
Apparently you and I are the only people on the Rant who give a shite.

A thread about Brent fricking Musburger is hot right now and I just saw a tumbleweed roll by in this thread.

Eta: make that 2 hot threads about Musburger.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 11:50 am
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:53 am to
I care enough to read, but have nothing to contribute.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:00 pm to


I'm completely imbedded in the bubble right now and it's kind of taken over my life. Here are the sites I've been checking mostly if you want to add them to your favorites for the next few days.

ESPN

the Dance Card

CBS

The Dance Card is updated daily so it's worth a gander all the way up to Sunday.


This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 12:01 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:03 pm to
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Apparently you and I are the only people on the Rant who give a shite.



Its a combination of people are fans of teams who suck and have sucked for a long long time and the game is more difficult to follow than football or baseball.

More difficult during the game as there isn't breaks that allow information processing and that the post season involves 351 teams instead of a 1/3 of that number for the other two.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:04 pm to
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I'm completely imbedded in the bubble right now and it's kind of taken over my life.


I'm keeping up with the NIT qualifiers to show it is 10x harder to make post season play as an at large bid in basketball than it is in football or even baseball.
Posted by Croot
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:09 pm to
I GAS...good info here
Posted by jb4
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:42 pm to
I'm a little worried hogs need to beat vols to make the tourney.

Posted by sugatowng
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:49 pm to
Anybody catch Bo's show yesterday where the guy from North Florida U. created a team that has predicted the at-large bids for like the last 5-10 seasons?

As of yesterday, he had UT and Arky SOL
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:52 pm to
If you look up a few posts I think what you're talking about is the Dance Card. It only predicts at large teams, and right now it has us on the wrong side of the bubble. However, it doesn't take into account teams ahead of us that will win their conference tournaments. If we are 5 spots below the burst line, but five teams ahead of us win their conference tourneys, we would be in.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:52 pm to
Depends on what happens in other conference tourneys.

Right now, that game is not going leave one team in and bump the other out.

It is still possible that no matter the outcome of the game, both teams are knocked out, other teams will have to do well in their tourney to bump either team out.

If the game is played with one dominating the other like the Gonzaga/BYU game last night, it would be bad for the loser of the game, just as BYU has gone from a "lock" to "maybe they don't deserve to be in".

A great game decided in the final minutes by a few points between Arkansas and Tennessee is the best the SEC can hope for no matter who is the victor of the game.
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