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Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:51 am to Hawgeye
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:51 am to Hawgeye
People can knock SEC basketball all they want, but the fact is we are a good league.
The last 20 years
-3 different teams have won 6 national titles.
-3 different teams have played for the national title 9 times
-5 different teams have reached the Final Four 13 times
The last 20 years
-3 different teams have won 6 national titles.
-3 different teams have played for the national title 9 times
-5 different teams have reached the Final Four 13 times
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:53 am to kilo
Yeah it's almost like people are thinking we're so good in football that we just can't be that good in basketball too.
Case in point, the most respected basketball program in the SEC has the worst football program by a long shot.
Case in point, the most respected basketball program in the SEC has the worst football program by a long shot.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:54 am to Hawgeye
Ill say this.....If it is 1999 right now....The SEC would have....
Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, and possibly Georgia as locks right now.
It's a shame our league is being shamed for football success.
Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, and possibly Georgia as locks right now.
It's a shame our league is being shamed for football success.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:58 am to Hawgeye
Aren't we the 7th rated league in RPI? In the early 2000s we were consistently in the top 3.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:58 am to kilo
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It really was. I also agree with whoever said there was some anti SEC pushback in basketball perception.
Perception isn't suppose to matter in the process, every team is suppose to be evaluated as an independent with conference affiliation not taken into account, but you know it does.
It gets tiring to hear the SEC talk and all they focus on is the amount of games and results of games at the bottom of the conference like the SEC teams have to win every one of them to have a chance, but then when it is brought up about teams in the A10, B1G, and Big12 to an extent having played a comparable schedule with the amount of the bad teams on it, it is brushed off, road losses to these teams is explained as it being hard to win on the road in conference.
It is a double standard, it is what it is.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:59 am to DaleDenton
BTW: There is no way the Horizon and CUSA are 2 bid leagues like they are saying and the SEC is only a 3 bid league. Those two conferences are not comparable to the SEC as a whole.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:00 pm to Bryant91092
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Aren't we the 7th rated league in RPI? In the early 2000s we were consistently in the top 3.
Conference RPI isn't considered by the committee.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:03 pm to DaleDenton
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Conference RPI isn't considered by the committee.
I realize that, but Hawgeye is talking about us being shamed by football success. Our RPI numbers as a conference just aren't what they were in the early 2000s and before.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:03 pm to DaleDenton
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Conference RPI isn't considered by the committee
Of course it is Dale. Conference RPI is the ONLY reason some of these teams have a high RPI such as Iowa, Nebraska, Florida State, Oklahoma State, etc.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:09 pm to Bryant91092
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I realize that, but Hawgeye is talking about us being shamed by football success. Our RPI numbers as a conference just aren't what they were in the early 2000s and before.
This has to do with scheduling more than anything.
Up north and out west more high mid-majors who are good at manipulating RPI exist to play in the non-con. Down south the only "local" squads are all terrible at this or just plain bad teams.
Really, there need to be an over haul in the RPI formula as it is being manipulated way to easy now days, simply playing a team with a 150 RPI is better than playing a team with a 200 RPI while the teams themselves are very similar in competitiveness.
The Sagarin takes into account what the margin of victory should be, the RPI does not, so if you played the 200 team and beat them by the predictor or more the Sagarin will reflect that, the RPI will only reflect you beating a team with a 200 RPI.
The committee also uses the Sagarin, many of these teams with RPI high by not playing bad teams are exposed in the Sagarin, the teams who actually performed as they should against their schedule is also reflected.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:09 pm to Hawgeye
Slive can gripe at conference schools all he wants about scheduling, but that isn't the issue when....
Florida beats: Kansas, Memphis, and Florida State OOC
Kentucky beats: Providence, Louisville, and Belmont OOC
Arkansas beats: Minnesota, SMU, Clemson, ULL OOC
Tennessee beats: Virginia, and Xavier OOC
Missouri beats: UCLA, West Virginia, and NC State OOC
Those are all very solid wins for our league and for the top 5 teams.
(Included ULL because they could be a tourney team with win today)
Florida beats: Kansas, Memphis, and Florida State OOC
Kentucky beats: Providence, Louisville, and Belmont OOC
Arkansas beats: Minnesota, SMU, Clemson, ULL OOC
Tennessee beats: Virginia, and Xavier OOC
Missouri beats: UCLA, West Virginia, and NC State OOC
Those are all very solid wins for our league and for the top 5 teams.
(Included ULL because they could be a tourney team with win today)
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:10 pm to Bryant91092
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Our RPI numbers as a conference just aren't what they were in the early 2000s and before
This is true and its because quite a few teams in the SEC shite the bed in early non-conference play. This is a phenomenon that is unfortunate because it kind of excludes the idea that teams can get better as the season goes on. Instead the initial impression from early non-conference lasts with the league for the rest of the year.
If Georgia didn't lose to bad teams early, instead of Mizzou having two "bad" losses to Georgia they'd have two "tough" losses to Georgia. Who knows, maybe the SEC as a whole does suck, maybe we're better than the pundits think. Regardless, it doesn't matter as perception will dictate a large portion of selection for the NCAAt.
As an Arkansas fan, we deserve the NIT. We had a shot to sew up a bid, possibly get into the single digit seeding before the Bama game. But instead we not only shite the bed, but we shite the floor all the way to the kitchen and the living room. shite everywhere.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:13 pm to BennyAndTheInkJets
While that is true Benny.....my beef is that those two losses should not erase what Arkansas did versus the top 100, or top 25 for that matter.
Not many teams outside RPI top 25 have a winning record vs. the top 100 and, Arkansas played 17 top 100 teams.
Not many teams outside RPI top 25 have a winning record vs. the top 100 and, Arkansas played 17 top 100 teams.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:13 pm to Hawgeye
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Slive can gripe at conference schools all he wants about scheduling, but that isn't the issue when....
Florida beats: Kansas, Memphis, and Florida State OOC
Kentucky beats: Providence, Louisville, and Belmont OOC
Arkansas beats: Minnesota, SMU, Clemson, ULL OOC
Tennessee beats: Virginia, and Xavier OOC
Missouri beats: UCLA, West Virginia, and NC State OOC
Those are all very solid wins for our league and for the top 5 teams.
(Included ULL because they could be a tourney team with win today)
Auburn beat Clemson and Boston College.
Carolina gave Baylor all they could handle.
This is just off the top of my head, but if the bottom of the conference is suppose to be so bad causing the entire conference to suffer, the bottom should not be giving a top half ACC school or a tourney Big10 school any trouble at winning the game.
If BC is so horrible for losing to Auburn, then BC should never beat Cuse.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:36 pm to DaleDenton
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Conference RPI isn't considered by the committee
This
"Conference is so overvalued, relative to its true value," "Yes, it matters what conference you play in, but I've never heard the word 'conference RPI' uttered in the room. We don't even look at conference standings that much because there are so many unbalanced leagues now where teams don't play each other twice.
"We look at individual teams on the team sheets. We recognized individual games. We know what conference teams are in, but we never think, 'Oh, are we going to put six or seven in from that conference and three from another?' That really never comes up."
Jamie Zaninovich-Committee Member
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:42 pm to TN_Tigers
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'Oh, are we going to put six or seven in from that conference and three from another?' That really never comes up."
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:09 pm to Hawgeye
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Not many teams outside RPI top 25 have a winning record vs. the top 100 and, Arkansas played 17 top 100 teams.
We had a really solid year, no doubt about that. Does our resume by itself look like an NCAAt resume? I think so when you look at all other bubble team's resumes. However, the fact that we're having this discussion period is because of our bed shitting actions.
Do I think we are "qualified" to be an NCAAt team? Yes.
Do I think we "deserve" to be an NCAAt team? No.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:59 pm to BennyAndTheInkJets
Louisiana comes from down 6 with under two to play to tie the game with a 1.5 left, heading to OT.
Huge game for GSU from Harrell (transfer from Kentucky).
Huge game for GSU from Harrell (transfer from Kentucky).
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:08 pm to DaleDenton
NM, Tennessee is in, right?
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:13 pm to undecided
Tennessee is in.
Yes, the UVA win is another win an SEC school has over a top tier school OOC that is never talked about, same with Mizzou beating UCLA, Florida beating Kansas.
It isn't that the TV people do not know, they choose to focus on the "bad" from the SEC, ignoring the good, they have mentioned the UCONN and Wisc losses that Florida had more than the Kansas win. Same with other schools, they talk about the losses instead of the wins. Now take the B1G, A10, and Big12 where they talk only about the wins and do not mention the bad losses.
Yes, the UVA win is another win an SEC school has over a top tier school OOC that is never talked about, same with Mizzou beating UCLA, Florida beating Kansas.
It isn't that the TV people do not know, they choose to focus on the "bad" from the SEC, ignoring the good, they have mentioned the UCONN and Wisc losses that Florida had more than the Kansas win. Same with other schools, they talk about the losses instead of the wins. Now take the B1G, A10, and Big12 where they talk only about the wins and do not mention the bad losses.
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