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re: New Big 6
Posted on 2/27/13 at 8:50 am to Indfanfromcol
Posted on 2/27/13 at 8:50 am to Indfanfromcol
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Okay old people, we get it that back in the day, the teams that comprise the old big 6 were great in football.
Time for a change though.
We need to update our Big 6, because currently we have a few teams that haven't even won a single national championship in any of the big 3 sports this millennium. I think it is embarrassing for our conference to have a "Big 6" with teams that can't even add National Championships in the 3 biggest sports in recent years.
So lets see what teams have done since the start of this millennium.
Safe to Stay:
#1 Florida- 4 NC, 2 in football, 2 in basketball
#2 LSU- 4 NC, 2 in football, 2 in baseball
#3 Alabama- 3 NC, all in football
On the edge:
#4 Auburn- 1 NC, in football
Have not won any NC's in big 3 sports
#5 Tennessee- Last NC in 1998, football
#6 UGA- Last NC in 1990, baseball
Have won NC in big 3 sports
South Carolina- 2 NC's, all in baseball
Kentucky- 1 NC, in basketball
If big 6 is football only:
#1 Alabama
#2 Florida
#3 LSU
#4 Auburn
#5 (possibly) Tennessee since it was a BCS
Update.
According to WDE24, there is really only a big 4.
Big 4
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Auburn?
Tennesee is the only team that does not belong. Not because im a Vandy fan but lets be honest, This years Vandy team could have won the year they did. Winning 1 mind you 1, in one of the worst SEC years EVER accounts for a big 6 ranking?
They can say they have won 1 i give em that but being soso followed by garbage does not make you big 6. I agree that there is only a big 4 though UGA should be #4
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Posted on 2/27/13 at 8:50 am to wood78221
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Get fricking Vinnie Sunseri off that damn signature please.
Already made a request to have him removed.
Just waiting on a guy to do it for me.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 8:57 am to We_Need_Cam
quote:You're trying too hard to be a jackass.
It is just annoying how small of a time frame most on this board look at things. And if there is anybody that should just keep their mouth shut it is LSU fans. Keep feeling cool about solid regular seasons, but your team has choked on a big dick in the past two bowl games, one being the NC. I would take the last three years of Auburn football over the last three years of LSU football all day, everyday.
Look at the last 10 yrs of AU football and then decide if you'd still trade places with LSU.
5-5 AU vs Arky
3-7 AU vs LSU
6-4 AU vs UA
3-7 AU vs UGA
Lucky for AU, y'all have a winning record against a Bama team that has won 3 of the last 4 NCs.
Just in the last 5 yrs AU is on their 3rd head coach and sits with a 4-16 record against its main rivals.
Your last two head coaches have a combined THREE years of HC experience when they arrived on the Plainz. And you'd actually take that shite compared to LSU?
Posted on 2/27/13 at 8:59 am to Indfanfromcol
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According to WDE24, there is really only a big 4. Big 4 Alabama Florida LSU Auburn?
Lulz
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:00 am to We_Need_Cam
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It is just annoying how small of a time frame most on this board look at things.
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I would take the last three years of Auburn football over the last three years of LSU football all day, everyday.
Yeah, you're really, really dumb.
Just for shits and giggles.
All Time Win % in 1990 before LSU's worst decade:
LSU ranked 13th nationally with 64%
AU ranked 18th nationally with 61%
In 1999 after LSU's worst decade (before its current ascent):
LSU ranked 17th nationally with 62.5%
AU ranked 19th nationally with 61.8%
As of 2012:
LSU ranked 12th nationally with 64.7%
AU ranked 16th nationally with 62.7%
Since you seem to like the last three years, let's look at that, too. 2010-2012
LSU ranked 5th nationally with an 85% win percentage.
AU ranked 34th (tied with Baylor, Louisville, and BYU) with a 64% win percentage.
So, if there is anyone who needs to keep his mouth shut, it's YOU.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:01 am to DevellionDore
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Tennesee is the only team that does not belong. Not because im a Vandy fan but lets be honest, This years Vandy team could have won the year they did. Winning 1 mind you 1, in one of the worst SEC years EVER accounts for a big 6 ranking? They can say they have won 1 i give em that but being soso followed by garbage does not make you big 6. I agree that there is only a big 4 though UGA should be #4
Rofl - holy shite this Vandy fan actually believes their Vandy team, who beat no decent teams last season, would actual have taken out the 98 Florida or Mississippi State teams. Vandy would have gone at best 7-4 if they had the se schedule and would have been mauled in both the SECCG and the BCS title game if you want to add those two.
Holy shite
This post was edited on 2/27/13 at 9:02 am
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:05 am to Bassmanbruno
Just sayin. Its not that impressive. and no i dont actually beleive that but damn it we would have had a shot in that year. IT WAS WEAK.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:06 am to DevellionDore
No you wouldn't have. look at who your wins were over this past season.
Florida would have beaten you by 50 points. And that Tennessee team would have curb stomped you too.
Florida would have beaten you by 50 points. And that Tennessee team would have curb stomped you too.
This post was edited on 2/27/13 at 9:08 am
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:08 am to Indfanfromcol
Yeah Big 6 is football only.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:09 am to Indfanfromcol
So a question to the group: What is a good cutoff for a 'pecking order'? 5-8 years (current recruits TV viewing time), new century (2001), 1998 (BCS), expansion (1992), the best fit for each club?...further back?
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:15 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
dbt,
I think you're missing the point of the big 6. It's likely going to take a quarter of a century or longer to really change it.
I think you're missing the point of the big 6. It's likely going to take a quarter of a century or longer to really change it.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:21 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Big Six, IMO consists of the teams that are historically strong in the SEC. Would take at least 2 decades to be considered.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:22 am to ibldprplgld
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Big Six, IMO consists of the teams that are historically strong in the SEC
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:25 am to Bassmanbruno
Well, yes, if it's all time. UA/UT/LSU/UGA/UF/AU in winning percentage rank 6/9/12/13/14/16 respectively at the national level. A&M is 23rd. But let's assume Sumling goes on a tear and wins 5 CC's and 3 NC's in next 12 years. A&M won't rise much higher all time but how could they not be considered part of that upper club?
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:25 am to We_Need_Cam
This from an Auburn fan that hasn't done shite in football except when Cam bailed your arse out 1year. Man, I haven't seen anyone so BUTT HURT in all my years! Good luck this year, u are going to need it! 
GEAUX TIGERS
GEAUX TIGERSPosted on 2/27/13 at 9:26 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Well, yes, if it's all time. UA/UT/LSU/UGA/UF/AU in winning percentage rank 6/9/12/13/14/16 respectively at the national level. A&M is 23rd. But let's assume Sumling goes on a tear and wins 5 CC's and 3 NC's in next 12 years. A&M won't rise much higher all time but how could they not be considered part of that upper club?
well that's not going to happen so we don't really have to worry about that. And its still hard to call a team who has only been in the league 13 years part about the big 6.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:28 am to Bassmanbruno
Where's my "not this shite again" gif when I need it.
Some idiot always drags this out during the off season, and it's always the same thing. Someone trying to parse a time when their school looks better than someone else. Based ONLY upon a subjective time frame that doesn't have any relevance to anything you can note as important to the conference.
It's real simple if you want to parse it out. Use something important. IMO here is your criteria to do so.
1 - It's your conference, decide whether or not the conference is important, or the national stage, in which case why are you talking about your conference at all.
2 - Use points in your conference's history to determine who is the best. IMO
All Time
Significant events like...expansion
So 1933 seasons forward
1992-present, or to 2012
2012-present
There you have it, you the suitably instructed OP, now perform the task to standard.
Some idiot always drags this out during the off season, and it's always the same thing. Someone trying to parse a time when their school looks better than someone else. Based ONLY upon a subjective time frame that doesn't have any relevance to anything you can note as important to the conference.
It's real simple if you want to parse it out. Use something important. IMO here is your criteria to do so.
1 - It's your conference, decide whether or not the conference is important, or the national stage, in which case why are you talking about your conference at all.
2 - Use points in your conference's history to determine who is the best. IMO
All Time
Significant events like...expansion
So 1933 seasons forward
1992-present, or to 2012
2012-present
There you have it, you the suitably instructed OP, now perform the task to standard.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:28 am to Bamatab
The Big 6 thing is really interesting to continue to see debated as an Aggie. It's not really something that was debated in the Big 12 and SWC, there it was more "haves and have nots" with fewer schools in the "have" category of which A&M was one.
It is so subjective. You can look at a historical football Big 6. You can look at a current football Big 6. You can combine the 2. Then you can do the same for the Big 3 or for all sports. Each time you do it you come up with a different answer. It's hard to have A&M qualify for any of it because we are so new and we haven't won an SEC football title (only had 1 shot though) and haven't even gotten our first SEC check (that comes July 1).
The truth is that the entire concept is dated and that is a good thing. The overall conference is so strong now, you don't have just a small set of schools that dominate everything. Bama, Florida, and LSU have certainly been on any list of this kind for the last decade but after that it gets a lot mushier. The truth is it is easier to count the weaker programs than it is to compare the stronger ones and the "weakest link" in the SEC is now stronger than the middle tier of any other conference with no teams resigned to their fate. It's mind boggling that even though the SEC didn't go undefeated in bowl games they were favorites in every one.
As for A&M we are going to be in the upper group long term, just too many resources not to. Have to earn it though and with the decade of the '00s being lost in the wilderness and the newness to the league it will take some time to prove to most and to some it will never happen even if we won the next 5 SEC Titles. This is the big boy league, if you are waiting for someone else to make you feel good about your team for validation you are already losing.
It is so subjective. You can look at a historical football Big 6. You can look at a current football Big 6. You can combine the 2. Then you can do the same for the Big 3 or for all sports. Each time you do it you come up with a different answer. It's hard to have A&M qualify for any of it because we are so new and we haven't won an SEC football title (only had 1 shot though) and haven't even gotten our first SEC check (that comes July 1).
The truth is that the entire concept is dated and that is a good thing. The overall conference is so strong now, you don't have just a small set of schools that dominate everything. Bama, Florida, and LSU have certainly been on any list of this kind for the last decade but after that it gets a lot mushier. The truth is it is easier to count the weaker programs than it is to compare the stronger ones and the "weakest link" in the SEC is now stronger than the middle tier of any other conference with no teams resigned to their fate. It's mind boggling that even though the SEC didn't go undefeated in bowl games they were favorites in every one.
As for A&M we are going to be in the upper group long term, just too many resources not to. Have to earn it though and with the decade of the '00s being lost in the wilderness and the newness to the league it will take some time to prove to most and to some it will never happen even if we won the next 5 SEC Titles. This is the big boy league, if you are waiting for someone else to make you feel good about your team for validation you are already losing.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:33 am to Bassmanbruno
I think my confusion is that this OP and this OP are basically at odds with each other. One has a timeframe, the other doesn't. But the different views are interesting to read.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:37 am to llfshoals
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