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re: New "Aaron Murray" rule protecting QBs

Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:57 am to
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:57 am to
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You must not be able to see the image of Jake Holland I posted in that reply.


I got ya. Took me a while to get the joke. I did not realize #5 was Jake Holland.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59013 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:57 am to
I'm not real crazy about all the new rules, either. Personally it could have been covered by unnecessary roughness. When you are on the field you have precious little time to run down a laundry list of situations and then decide whether you can hit someone or not.

I feel it was a bad hit on Murray because it was away from the play, he was not making a true effort to get to the play. There were other Georgia players moving faster toward the play that Dial could have tried to block. Guessing..the defensive coordinator made an issue that Murray was going to beat Alabama all week, trying to get his guys pumped up for the game, and it was payback time for Alabama's D. I've seen it happen before. Nothing wrong with it...but (In my opinion) Dial was wrong. Should have been 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalty and play resumed.
Posted by five_fivesix
Y’all
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:58 am to


click, click

BOOM!
Posted by RebFeBrees
Pensacola, FL
Member since Dec 2009
13855 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:59 am to
It was such frickin bullshite that Dial didnt get suspended in some capacity for that hit vs Murray. Honestly, it is just comical.

Trae Elston gets suspended earlier in the year for a hit that didnt even garner a flag in the game and they dont do shite to Dial who was ABSOLUTELY targeting.

I would love to hear Slive and Co.'s explantation why Dial was not punished in any way for headhunting that prisspot in the GA Dome.
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:59 am to
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Ummm...you might wanna take another good look at that video. "Chasing down"?

He couldna caught a turtle at the speed he was moving. He was barely shuffling his feet.





How fast you are running or how nonathletic you are has no bearing on the rules. You are either involved in the play or "clearly out of the play." There is no middle ground.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59013 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:59 am to
Reading is fundamental, Monty. Read more carefully. Murray was NOT running to the ball. Look at the video again.....he MIGHT have been classified as a slow jog. He was NOT going to make a tackle. Murray said he should have been paying attention...and he should have. Any time you are on the field you head HAS to be on a swivel.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59013 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:00 pm to
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59013 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:02 pm to
I agree. It can VERY easily get out of hand.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:03 pm to
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I would love to hear Slive and Co.'s explantation why Dial was not punished in any way for headhunting that prisspot in the GA Dome.


It's not that complicated. The Elston hit was on a defenseless player. Dial's hit was not. It was stated before the season that they would be making a concerted effort to protect defenseless players.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59013 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:06 pm to
And how does a post count make the content any more or less worthy, pray tell?

"Oh, Look! I have 9,000 posts, so when I say something it really mean something!"

"Mine is more important, because I put "I agree" on a post 6,000 times! Wow. You really have low standards, don't you?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59013 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:07 pm to
I agree!

(I've got to get my post numbers up so when I actually say something some fo these guys will respect what I say!)
Posted by RebFeBrees
Pensacola, FL
Member since Dec 2009
13855 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:09 pm to
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The Elston hit was on a defenseless player. Dial's hit was not



Jesus Tittyfricking Christ
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:09 pm to
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As for the ejection rule and targeting, it is my understanding that the ejection and targeting call is reviewable and that refs have been instructed to throw a flag even when they are in doubt. If that is the way it is going to be called and given the severity of the penalty and the effect of a missed call, they need to reverse the standard for review on those plays to give the player the benefit of the doubt and not giving the original call the benefit.



Absolutely. At least go into the review booth with the presumption that it was not electable targeting. Instead any "contact above the shoulders" on a "defenseless player" is a presumed ejection unless it can be overcome on replay by "conclusive evidence". That is 3 phrases open to a lot of interpretation that a referee is going to have to make on every targeting decision. It's going to open them up to a ton of criticism and I think they will be extremely reluctant to overturn any targeting ejection. It will be much easier to eject them all than explain why one was ejected and the other was overturned.

Also I am unsure about what they are looking for in the replay booth. Are they simply trying to confirm if the hit was above the shoulders or are they making a judgment call on whether the above shoulder hit was intentional or avoidable, etc?
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21706 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:10 pm to
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like haivng 9000 posts somehow makes yours more worthy? Seriously?


Yes, it does.

quote:

Love it when people make an issue of the number of posts someone has.


I love it when some douche with 6 posts comes in here arguing something that was rehashed over and over again months ago when it happened. And, he's wrong to boot.
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:11 pm to
Just found this gem as well: The new rule applies to kickers and punters as well throughout the entire length of the play. So basically don't touch a QB on a change of possession or a kicker or punter, ever, or risk ejection.

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The definition of a “defenseless player” has expanded as well in regards to this foul. Quarterbacks will remain defenseless even after they throw an interception and possession changes hands. Kickers and punters, once they have kicked the ball, will be considered defenseless for the rest of that down.
Posted by NBamaAlum
Soul Patrolville
Member since Jan 2009
27604 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:12 pm to
What the frick.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37279 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:12 pm to
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Dial should have been ejected and suspended, but yet he remained in the game.




Yeah let's eject players every time they smoke QBs. Don't think so buddy.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21706 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:13 pm to
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The definition of a “defenseless player” has expanded as well in regards to this foul. Quarterbacks will remain defenseless even after they throw an interception and possession changes hands. Kickers and punters, once they have kicked the ball, will be considered defenseless for the rest of that down.



Next year's rule change proposal - all QB's will be playing 2 hand touch football.
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:15 pm to
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Personally it could have been covered by unnecessary roughness.


I could possibly agree with that. But the hit itself was not in violation of any rule at the time as it relates to targeting a defenseless player.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59013 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:15 pm to
Actually I disagree. (But also admit I could be wrong...too many "in the judgement of the referee calls)

There is leeway with the unnecessary roughness. While playing out tailback broke a long play. Following a good 20 yards back of the play I spotted an opposing defensive player trailing the play. No way he could have caught our tailback, but I thought..."What the heck.", so I peeled off and woke him up. (Thinking back on it, it reminds me of the Murray play) A referee spotted it and came over to me and told me if he saw me do something like that again he would call it. (I was shocked he didn't call it that time....he should have.)
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