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Posted on 7/18/12 at 9:17 am to Nuts4LSU
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The main reason for my opinion on these two is the condition the program was in when they arrived and when they left. Archer took over a team full of talent that was winning and left a total dumpster fire mess that would take five years to rebuild, while Hallman took over that dumpster fire and left a team stacked with NFL talent that was still losing, but was ready to start winning the next year
Not really. Archer's last LSU team had 5 players that had any type of meaningful NFL career while Hallman's last roster had 4. Dinardo's success in hist first 3 years were the result of good young players that HE got on campus (Faulk, Tyler, Mealy, Faneca, McClure, McFarland, Roman, Clark)- not Hallman. Hallman couldn't recruit any better than he could coach. It's not a coincidence that he was 5-6 in hist 1st year with Archer's players and 4-7 in his last (4th) year with his own. Were the players better but he just got shittier as a coach? Hallman doesn't deserve a lick of credit for leaving LSU "stacked" with NFL talent.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 9:25 am to jatebe
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Well, he did win the SEC title one year as Alabama's head coach.
Whut??
He won the SEC as head coach in 1934 of Alabama's baseball team.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 9:30 am to BreakawayZou83
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Bob Stull, maybe Larry Smith
Stull or Woody Woodenhofer, Smith left the program in shambles but had good teams in 97 & 98, that Nebraska "Flea Kicker" game brought a lot of faithful hope.
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Posted on 7/18/12 at 9:33 am to Tackle74
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Woody Woodenhofer
Should get some consideration at Vanderbilt,too. Fine accomplishment: nomination for worst coach ever at two schools.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 9:36 am to Tackle74
Fran for sure. He destroyed our recruiting pipelines with Texas high school coaches and I'll give Sherman a lot of credit for rebuilding those because he had to do a ton of work to accomplish that, and Sherman recruited very well on the offensive side and especially the O-Line which is obviously what Sherm knew best. I'll never understand the 2011 season completely, but Franchione took a proud program in Texas to the dirt and left us nothing but decent running backs and solid QBs. We had no o-line, no receivers, and certainly no defense save Von Miller and Sherman did a lot of nice things to pick us back up.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 9:37 am to I-59 Tiger
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Woody Woodenhofer
Should get some consideration at Vanderbilt,too. Fine accomplishment: nomination for worst coach ever at two schools.
To make matters worse had the horrid PR campaign to get all Mizzou fans to "Take a Ride on Woody's Wagon" I took the ride right off the fricking cliff.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 9:39 am to Tackle74
Are you serious ? The one he had done in Nashville in 1997 was 'Have Fun ! Expect to win !' Neither happened.
The one he had done in Nashville in 1997 was 'Have Fun ! Expect to win !' Neither happened. Posted on 7/18/12 at 9:41 am to I-59 Tiger
Have fun go 2-8 
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Posted on 7/18/12 at 9:46 am to Tackle74
he was a little better than his predecessor, Rod Dowhower, but Dowhower was about as bad as they come.
Poor Woody. Good coach --assistant,not head coach. But he has some personal demons,too.
Poor Woody. Good coach --assistant,not head coach. But he has some personal demons,too.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 10:18 am to AUTiger83
Without question, Houston Nutt. He was a bad coach and worse program builder. Additionally, he’s a buffoon, he never took responsibility for anything bad and he was a compulsive liar.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 10:22 am to AUTiger83
Les Miles. He should be winning 90% of his games, have 5 conference championships and 4 BCS wins.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 10:40 am to I-59 Tiger
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He won the SEC as head coach in 1934 of Alabama's baseball team.
I thought that's where you were going with that
I knew he coached the baseball and equestrian(I think) team, but I wasn't sure if he ever won anything of circumstance.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 10:47 am to USMC Gators
Love Arky fans with Nutt, sure he had his issues but worse ever, won too many games for that probably have to be Crowe if you are being realistic.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 10:59 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Les Miles. He should be winning 90% of his games, have 5 conference championships and 4 BCS wins.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 11:07 am to AUTiger83
Fran.
Not only screwed up the team but managed to infuriate the majority of Texas High School football coaches.
Not only screwed up the team but managed to infuriate the majority of Texas High School football coaches.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 11:29 am to LSU82BILL
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Hallman's last roster had 4
I don't care what they did in the NFL, these were just a few great players on the last Hallman team who enabled Gerry DiNardo to start winning in year one:
Chuck Wiley
Eddie Kennison
Gabe Northern
James Gillyard
Clarence LeBlanc
Chris Hill
Tory James
David LaFleur
Kenny Mixon
Pat Rogers
Allen Stansberry
Denard Walker
Sheddrick Wilson
Chad Kessler
Andre LaFleur
Nobody could have won at LSU in 1991 (year one after Archer).
You take the 1990 roster under Archer and I'll take the 1994 roster under Hallman, and I'll beat you the majority of the time. We actually had a good team in 1994, but they just got snakebit with the turnovers (partially caused by Amedee's stupid arse playcalling) starting with the Auburn game and beat themselves about fifty million times.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:54 pm to Nuts4LSU
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these were just a few great players on the last Hallman team who enabled Gerry DiNardo to start winning in year one
Chuck Wiley
Eddie Kennison
Gabe Northern
James Gillyard
Clarence LeBlanc
Chris Hill
Tory James
David LaFleur
Kenny Mixon
Pat Rogers
Allen Stansberry
Denard Walker
Sheddrick Wilson
Chad Kessler
Andre LaFleur
Significant(or lack thereof) NFL careers aside, I guess we disagree on the definitions of "great", "stacked" and "NFL talent". Hallman left DiNardo a shite QB (Jamie Howard) and a 2nd rate RB (Robert Toomer). Tyler was a true FR and more effective 1n '95 and the leading rushers in Dinardo's first 3 years were players he signed (Faulk, Cleveland, Mealy, Collins). He also got significant playing time from FR Todd McClure and Alan Faneca. Anthony McFarland was Freshman Co-Defensive POY. I'll take Dinardo's 1st signing class over the best 25 players that Hallman left him.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:58 pm to Nuts4LSU
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You take the 1990 roster under Archer and I'll take the 1994 roster under Hallman, and I'll beat you the majority of the time
no you wouldn't
Not a fan of Mr Archer but he was fricking Bear Bryant compared to Curley
and I read all your "lists" of this talent and that talent and who did this and who did that
in the end your off-base....was Mr Archer too young when he got the LSU gig???? Yes but he wasn't evil, just in over his head
Curley Hallman was spawned from the fricking Devil himself so he is the clear winner and frankly he is in the Top 3 of WORST SEC FOOTBALL COACHES OF ALL TIME
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