re: Muschamp/Malzahn For Auburn in 2009

As an LSU fan, Muschamp could scare and yet also excite LSU and Bama fans, as he has the potential to be a big-timer..scary! Yet, also could be far too green for such a large promotion, and thus delay Auburn's climb back to the top.

But, with Saban at Bama, and climbing, also with LSU having two BCS titles in the past five years..

Can Auburn afford not to take such a large risk?

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your welcome. If I do play it I am going to cut everyone I don't like and chnage all of the coaching philosophies to a Power Run and a 3-4 defense

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A la Saban. Good idea.

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Do you think Muschamp having coached there twice at Auburn will help or hurt Auburn landing him if they go after him?

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Good question. In my opinion it would help because he is already familiar with the lay of the land...keep in mind this would be his first head coaching job which is already intimidating enough. Some have said he wont want to deal with our expectations/higher ups in power...but any big time program is going to have those issues (to what extent is debatable but that is beside the point) and he has said he would only leave texas for a big time head coaching job, preferably in the SEC. At least at Auburn he has a better idea of what dealing with those issues entails. I am assuming as a coordinator he probably did not deal with the higher ups to develop some bad blood or ill feelings strong enough to prevent him from accepting the offer if he felt it was the best one he would get. I know for a fact him and his wife really enjoyed living in Auburn (his wife was really opposed to moving to Texas in the beginning).

Granted I am biased, but I don’t see how you could justify waiting if he gets the Auburn offer if he wants to coach in the SEC. Georgia, Florida, and LSU are all better jobs in my opinion, but I don’t see any of those jobs coming open anytime soon...all of the coaches there could possibly remain there for another 10 plus years. Plus even if they did come open its not a guarantee he would get them...those schools could hire almost anyone they want.

If he was afraid of who pulled the strings at Auburn (or how they pulled them) because of Terry Bowden I doubt he would have left the NFL to become the DC at Auburn when he did...with his resume he could have gotten allot of college DC jobs at that point in his career. What job do you see coming open anytime soon that you think A) he would likely get (ie its likely enough to pass up the Auburn job) and B) is a better job than Auburn all around?

Lowder is up asking congress for a 6 million bailout.

Who knows...but for all we know, he might not want to go to Auburn with Saban at Bama. Then you got Petrino at Arkansas, Miles at LSU, Nutt at OM and of course, the UGA powers.

He allegedly had some issues with Jacobs...if Auburn really wanted him to stay around, don't you think they would have made things right with him?

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become the DC at Auburn when he did...with his resume he could have gotten allot of college DC jobs at that point in his career

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Didn't he get hired around signing day in '06? I imagine most schools had their staffs put together.

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What job do you see coming open anytime soon that you think A) he would likely get (ie its likely enough to pass up the Auburn job) and B) is a better job than Auburn all around?

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Who knows....Tennessee perhaps...

But, where have you heard him say he'd preferably coach in the SEC? All of this is just speculation.....

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He allegedly had some issues with Jacobs...if Auburn really wanted him to stay around, don't you think they would have made things right with him?

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I think he went to Texas because at that time he felt that was the best move to help him get a good head coaching job faster (and in hind sight I think you would agree he made the right decision here). Believe me Auburn wanted him to stay around...he did not leave because Auburn didn't care about him.

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Didn't he get hired around signing day in '06? I imagine most schools had their staffs put together.

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My point was he wasn't unemployed at the time Auburn hired him , so I have a hard time believing he would have accepted the job merely to kill time had he shared your opinion of Auburn and the way it ran its program.

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But, where have you heard him say he'd preferably coach in the SEC? All of this is just speculation.....

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Yes, I have heard him say he would like to coach in the SEC. Up untill this year he had never played or coached in another leauge besides the SEC and he grew up in Georgia...so everyone he pretty much everyone he knows lives in the south...it only makes since he would want to return to the SEC. Muschamp is not timid, nor does he lack confidence in himself or his coaching abilities...so I doubt he would be scared of competing with those coaches/schools you listed. Like you said this is all speculation, I just think you are reaching to say Muschamp would pass on Auburn without a better offer.

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Oh well. I've heard and read otherwise since January but I do agree if he wanted a head coaching job faster, Texas was probably the best place to raise his profile.

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According to Glenn Guilbeau, Miles offered him the LSU DC position, but Muschamp thought it would be a lateral move since he had already been a DC in the SEC twice as far as his HC resume was concerned. This was of course before he got the Texas offer...this does not sound like someone who just wanted out of Auburn.

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What do you think my opinion of Auburn is? I'm just bringing up some different angles.

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I just don't think it's very high if you think someone making $425,000 a year as a defensive cooirdinator with zero head coaching expirience would turn down 2 million plus to be a head coach there with no other offers because a better offer may come along.

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He coached in the NFL, at Western Georgia, EKU and Valdosta State.

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Ok, let me rephrase...aside from a one year coaching stint in the NFL, 8 of his 11 years of a college coach and his only ones as a cooirdinator have been in the SEC before this season....my point was a big majority of his football life was spent in the SEC.

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I don't doubt he does but if a good ACC job comes up, you never know...

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this is not basketball...I don't think he would take an ACC job over any SEC offer (excluding the bottom tier teams of course). In other words I don't see him selecting Clemson over Auburn. We could go back and forth over this all day, but aside from Muschamp having a terrible opinion of the higher ups at Auburn I don't see him passing on the offer sans a better offer.

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Wow, that's a lot of debating and a lot of words over a guy who isn't going anywhere.

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Do you think there is some type of under the table Jimbo Fisher and FSU type agreement at Texas? Isn't mack brown only 57?

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This was of course before he got the Texas offer...this does not sound like someone who just wanted out of Auburn.

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Well, you say Auburn wanted him and insinuate he didn't want out of Auburn, then what was all of the balogna about him finding something on his contract he didn't like about the time AU played Clemson last year? Do you think he made it up? And if he wanted to stay at AU and AU decided to make his contract right, don't you think he would have accepted whatever amendments to his contract?

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I just don't think it's very high if you think someone making $425,000 a year as a defensive cooirdinator with zero head coaching expirience would turn down 2 million plus to be a head coach there with no other offers because a better offer may come along.

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I wouldn't insinuate that about every coach. I hint around that, primarily, because of Will's experience there and knowledge of the program...the good, bad, and the ugly and Bobby Lowder, which may be limited.

I mentioned the other programs, secondly, because of an article that was posted last week or so talking about Will's forecast about what Saban was going to engineer at Bama. He may look at it that way, he may not.

Hell, looks at Tubs now, he's going up against some great recruiters and he's rarely doing to get the creme of the crop across the board.

But, let's look at the Auburn program.....Tubs is a good coach who has brought stability to the program....but he's only been to the SEC title game twice and won it once. He's finished in the top 10 twice...that's good, not great...all the while Bama's been on sanctions and had 5 coaching changes.

How often do Auburn head coaches leave for other jobs? Not very often. He may turn Auburn into the premier program in the country, but that's unlikely.

So all things considered, including his age, I don't think it's crazy to think he might skip out on Auburn. For all we know, he's having Jimmy Sexton put out feelers to Mike Hamilton to see if they are gonna let Fulmer go anytime soon or they are contacting Sexton to gauge Will's interest.

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I don't think he would take an ACC job over any SEC offer (excluding the bottom tier teams of course). In other words I don't see him selecting Clemson over Auburn

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Maybe, maybe not. He may not be offered either...and Tubs may not get the hook.

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We could go back and forth over this all day, but aside from Muschamp having a terrible opinion of the higher ups at Auburn I don't see him passing on the offer sans a better offer

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Maybe not, we'll see.